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IRAQ: The Truth (by Jim Coles and Greg Badger)
08/13/08 at 07:30:45
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When looked at rationally, the human cost of the Iraq War is militarily insignificant...deaths and serious injuries in this war are phenomenally low both in raw numbers and in rate -- no matter which statistical analysis method is used; and while each of those deaths and serious injuries is a tragedy, the price we have paid in blood and treasure during this war is minuscule compared to the price of the war we avoided by going into Iraq.

All that stuff about bringing democracy to oppressed Iraqis and freeing them from Saddam's Ba'athist oppression, while true, has almost nothing to do with the real reasons we're there -- and I wish it had never been posed as part of the rationale for the war. None of those reasons have anything to do with cheap oil for us or 'our friends' in Europe and Asia. Clearly, Grand Strategic Thinking is not within the skills portfolio of virtually any true Liberal, and none of those who sign-onto the Liberal agenda. The Iraq War is the kinetic phase of the unrestricted economic warfare we are conducting against China -- the greatest economic and greatest potential military adversary threat this country has ever faced or will face..this is a multi-decade war that will take many faces and is being fought on fronts that that often don't produce headlines but are just as important to our ultimate national survival as the battles in the streets of Baghdad or Fallujah. The current economic warfare uses exactly the same tools and is based on the same philosophy as the action we waged during the Cold War against the USSR -- and for the same reasons...We went into Iraq to prevent Saddam and China from executing the oil access agreements the two despot nations had signed in 1989...there's a long history to all of this and I can go into it, if enough FS correspondents desire it, but until then I'll deal in broad brush strokes on the presumption that the outline will provide enough information that those who are interested can access the rest of the story from net sources. As in any major war we've fought there is a price to pay at home...discomfort is always imposed on the people...and the fiscal & monetary policies that are the weapons in the greater war do and will continue to hurt a lot of folks at home but the end-product -- the neutering of Red China as an economic competitor and potential military adversary will be well worth the pain because the cost of a major confrontation between our two nations is almost incalculable ... both in dollars and in loss of life on all sides.
One of the key side benefits of this Grand Strategic process is that the kinetic portion of the action also serves to split the combatant enemy's turf. While there are always tactical challenges, such as figuring how to break the hold of al Qaeda in Iraq's hold in the provinces and among the tribes; and and dealing with the pesky Imams and Ayatolas in Iran whose drive to attain deliverable nuclear weapons is a problem -- especially given the reluctance of the EU and the Russian Federation to help blunt the Iranian effort -- but the issue does not rise to the Grand Strategic level and is, instead, a diplomatic and covert action issue that if handled properly will result in a popular uprising by young Iranians and won't require either conventional or Generation IV military action by ourselves or the Israelis.

The asymmetrical warfare and terror tactics employed by radical Islamic extremists, while dangerous, horrendous, and grotesque are of little real structural threat to our national longevity because the American political-economic structure brings a weight to the fight that the enemy's zeal cannot overcome. In the end, the United States does not merely defeat its enemies -- we grind them into oblivion, and these primitives will eventually be relegated to just another verse in the Marine Corps Hymn and the Army Song. This phase of the fight won't get any prettier; it is far from over and potentially may include more civilian casualties at home before it is finished, but the trend lines of how we maul an opponent are starting to coalesce and will ultimately result in the complete destruction of radical Islam as a force within the Islamic world.

So great is our underlying strength that this nation can absorb and then slough-off even the sophomoric ideology of the American and internationalist political Left, should CSO and his sponsors win this fall's elections...there will be considerable pain to absorb if that cabal does win, but we've absorbed worse ... and the political-social pendulum will eventually swing back to the Right.

So, the Left is free to go whine about trivialities and then feel morally superior to everyone -- and leave the business of defending this nation to people who know what planet they're on.

The people around George W. Bush are brilliant and our President was smart enough to understand both the problem and the solution; courageous enough to execute the actions required to conduct this phase of the effort; (which has been ongoing for more than a decade at the purely fiscal & monetary management level) and strong enough to stand his ground in the face of the torrent of vitriol thrown his way by specious, self-absorbed, self-serving, power-mad buffoons whose only goal was and is to reacquire and hold onto political power -- regardless of the cost to and impact on the nation's well-being.

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Re: IRAQ: The Truth (by Jim Coles and Greg Badger)
Reply #1 - 08/13/08 at 07:32:08
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The following is from The American Thinker... 

August 06, 2008
A Hard Look at Casualty Numbers
Herbert E. Meyer

Soldiering is a dangerous business -- even in peacetime -- and we mourn the death of any member of our armed forces no matter what its cause.  A new report for members of Congress from the Congressional Research Service provides some astounding statistics:

During the five-year period from March 19, 2003 to April 5, 2008, 4,005 members of our armed forces died in Operation Iraqi Freedom from all causes including illness and accident.  This averages 801 deaths per year -- and every one a tragedy. 

But the CRS also reports that in 2003, the total number of deaths among members of the active-duty US armed forces totaled 1,410 -- which means that Iraq accounted for a bit more than 50 percent of the total.  The corresponding numbers for 2004 are 1,873, for 2005 up slightly to 1,941 and for 2006 down slightly to 1,875. 

What's astonishing is that the corresponding number of active-duty deaths for 1982 -- President Reagan's first full year in office -- is 2,319.  In 1989 - when President Reagan left office in January to be succeeded by President George H.W. Bush - total military deaths were 1,693. 

In short, what the CRS study shows is that each year between 1,000 and 2,000 members of our active-duty armed forces die regardless of whether we're at war or peace. 

In case you were wondering, back in 1980 -- President Jimmy Carter's last full year in office -- the total number of active-duty military deaths was 2,392 - higher than the number in any year of George W. Bush's presidency.

Read the CRS report; it's an eye-opener...see portion below...


See table in next post...


  
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Reply #2 - 08/13/08 at 07:43:13
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Thank you so much for posting this here.  This is so informative and well written.  Great job you two.
  
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Reply #3 - 08/14/08 at 10:28:58
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  That was a well written and well researched piece of writing.
Yhank You
  
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Reply #4 - 08/14/08 at 14:24:50
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So great is our underlying strength that this nation can absorb and then slough-off even the sophomoric ideology of the American and internationalist political Left, should CSO and his sponsors win this fall's elections...there will be considerable pain to absorb if that cabal does win, but we've absorbed worse ... and the political-social pendulum will eventually swing back to the Right.

So, the Left is free to go whine about trivialities and then feel morally superior to everyone -- and leave the business of defending this nation to people who know what planet they're on.


I hate to dump on this 2 post dance of glee about the war (Not the Iraq war or the war in afghanistan but "THE WAR" single and one) but not only are we not blunting China, we are poised to lose our Manfacturing base to China.

In the 8 years we have spent fighting Islamic madness, we have watched our borders bleed, our industries leave and our job base crumble. Our schools are leftist propaganda bins, our military is wrecked and our national I.Q. is sinking from Genius to jackass.

Our President speaks Spanish, sucks up to a KGB killer, endorses illegal aliens and spends like there's no tomorrow.

Our government is corrupt, our kids are becoming illequipped, unpatriotic and stupid, We are assaulting our American factories until they leave and we have allowed the Unions to run Amok. America is in bad shape.

We have a Marxist, hollywood bafoon and a mentally injured, willing to suck up to socialist bomber pilot running for President. We seem to be heading for the big old screw.

What we should have done on September 11th was unleash nukes against 2 arabian targets with a promise that more were up in the bullpen waiting to be unleashed. You want Allah you raghead monkies well he's coming in a radiation suit for your butts, we have had enough of your rug humping monkey asses!

A real president would have unleashed hell and slaughtered millions of Arabs while throwing every God damned liberal bastard in prison for treason and that includes all the Democrap fascists in Congress.

We would have concluded this business much sooner had we not had Bushy Junior the Putin kisser in the damned White House.

I forgot...Al Gore....Jesus we were screwed both ways there too!

Now...we're just plain screwed all over.



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Reply #5 - 08/15/08 at 04:31:17
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danrushvet wrote on 08/14/08 at 14:24:50:
What we should have done on September 11th was unleash nukes
against 2 arabian targets with a promise that more were up in the bullpen waiting to be unleashed. You want Allah you raghead monkies well he's coming in a radiation suit for your butts, we have had enough of your rug humping monkey asses!

A real president
would have unleashed hell and slaughtered millions of Arabs while throwing every God damned liberal bastard in prison for treason and that includes all the Democrap fascists in Congress.

We would have concluded this business much sooner had we not had Bushy Junior the Putin kisser in the damned White House.
Angry

Wow.

Nuclear warfare huh? 

  
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Re: IRAQ: The Truth (by Jim Coles and Greg Badger)
Reply #6 - 08/15/08 at 13:02:40
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WELL NOW, GREG & JIM: It seems like old times to have you two here on CF. So here's an official WELCOME from Bill, OLD ONE 70 (on Fire Society--but I've aged some--ha ha!!). Greg, your posts above were interesting and, for the most part, I agree with you. Where you know I probably will always disagree with you is your uncontrolled adulation for our "noble, Christian" president, George W., and the neo-con globalists who dominate the Republicrat Party. Sorry, I'll have to continue disagreeing with you that W's been good for our country, or that Republicrats will save us. They won't, for as you know, I consider them part of the problem: The Republicrats and the Democans, 2 wings on the same bird-of-prey party that I derisively call The Vulture Party. I haven't changed my mind yet.

MEMO TO DANRUSHVET: I couldn't agree with you more, my friend. Some strategic nuking of the offending Islamic vermin would have been in order. Not "nuclear warfare", as some of the timid among us fear--but the burning out of the virus which is causing the disesase of Islam around the world. And yes, I admire Douglas also. He may have had feet of clay, like we all do, but he certainly had a warrior's heart. God send us more like him. Please!!

  

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Reply #7 - 08/15/08 at 14:34:07
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OLD ONE 74 wrote on 08/15/08 at 13:02:40:
WELL NOW, GREG & JIM: It seems like old times to have you two here on CF. So here's an official WELCOME from Bill, OLD ONE 70 (on Fire Society--but I've aged some--ha ha!!). Greg, your posts above were interesting and, for the most part, I agree with you. Where you know I probably will always disagree with you is your uncontrolled adulation for our "noble, Christian" president, George W., and the neo-con globalists who dominate the Republicrat Party. Sorry, I'll have to continue disagreeing with you that W's been good for our country, or that Republicrats will save us. They won't, for as you know, I consider them part of the problem: The Republicrats and the Democans, 2 wings on the same bird-of-prey party that I derisively call The Vulture Party. I haven't changed my mind yet.

MEMO TO DANRUSHVET: I couldn't agree with you more, my friend. Some strategic nuking of the offending Islamic vermin would have been in order. Not "nuclear warfare", as some of the timid among us fear--but the burning out of the virus which is causing the disesase of Islam around the world. And yes, I admire Douglas also. He may have had feet of clay, like we all do, but he certainly had a warrior's heart. God send us more like him. Please!!


  Hell old man you and I didnt beat them here by much.
  
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Re: IRAQ: The Truth (by Jim Coles and Greg Badger)
Reply #8 - 08/16/08 at 17:38:56
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HEY HERE, GREAT GRAMPA:  That's true, but both of them are good men--good patriots--even if I don't always agree with them.  In a "fire fight" of either words or lead, I'd be proud to have both of them standing beside me.  (For that matter, I don't always agree with my wife, either, since she is in the McCain camp and I can't move her out of it.)  Oh well.    Roll Eyes
  

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