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Why No One Invades Switzerland
03/08/10 at 21:47:34
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Reply #1 - 03/08/10 at 23:17:03
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Re: Why No One Invades Switzerland
Reply #2 - 03/11/10 at 13:21:12
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The same reason their crime rate is minimal, the same reason the japanese said an invasion of America woud be impossible (there would be a gun behind every blade of grass) the same reason you don't mess with Texas, the same reason no one messed with me,  the same reason crime rates have dropped like crazy every where that concealed carry is implemented, and the one reason that we are still somewhat a free society.  Because of the United States Constitution Amendment II

A well regulated millita being necessary to the security of a free state the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!!



  
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Reply #3 - 05/13/10 at 17:07:31
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Nyte_Byrd wrote on 03/08/10 at 21:47:34:


Ever notice how the cities with the tightest gun control rules have the worst crime rates?  Washington DC, New York............

Ever notice that those countries that pass tighter gun laws in the long run experience no real improvement in crime?  Great Britain, Australia......

Ever hear in the news that after many states passed concealed carry laws crime often went down?

How often does the main stream media report a home intruder being shot, a woman blasting someone attempting to raper her........?

Ever notice how "gun free zones" seem to be crazy lunatic "I'm going on  a shooting spree" magnets?

Notice how the gun control advocates have to resort to rhetorical attacks when you show them that may it be in China, Germany, or the former Yugoslavia, there is a need for an armed society?

Ever notice that the gun control advocate nearly always uses what amounts to a logical fallacy as an argument for their position: red herrings, appeals to authority, appeals to celebrity, appeal to emotions with some sob story?
  
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Re: Why No One Invades Switzerland
Reply #4 - 05/14/10 at 20:17:31
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"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
                                   Robert A. Heinlein




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mortarman wrote on 05/14/10 at 20:17:31:
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
                                   Robert A. Heinlein




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I grew up in Germany where they have some of the tightest gun laws imaginable.

Still criminals have guns.  You still had the worst school shooting ever until Virginia tech (Erfurt Germany)...........

All tight gun laws do is disarm citizens and make them into subjects.  It takes away a humans ability of defense for self, family, property and rights.  The human is a soft animal without claws, fangs...etc.  Humans have always used tools, and they are a predatory animal as witnessed by our stereoscopic vision and canine teeth.  Indeed it is difficult to get our complete dietary needs on a vegan diet, and in nature it would be impossible.  As such,the gun is the tool we use with our opposable thumb for protection, food.....etc.  Those that wish to deny people the right to bear arms, essentially are trying to deny a "natural right."  Even an ant will defend himself. 

Gun laws tip the scale in the balance of powers towards a centralized government.  Today in our public schools we teach the balance of powers to mean the three branches of government, but they don't really get into the part about the states (10th Amendment), or the individual where the second amendment plays a critical part.  All tight gun laws do is make it difficult for the collector, hunter, those with family heirlooms, people who wish to defend themselves and don't have a "victim mentality."

Those advocating gun laws really fall into one of two broad groups:

1.  The misguided idiot  basing his position on "feelings." Those that fall for the illogical fallacies presented as arguments, i.e. the sob stories/appeal to emotion.....celeb endorsement.......appeal to authority........ad hominem attacks...... bandwagon.

2. The socialist that sees the ownership of firearms as a threat.  The hard core centralist sees a threat in the ownership of firearms because the people have the means to resist.  While he won't state it as such, he might not even see it this way in his own mind, the bottom line is that he has a vision of how society should be, and this is only possible by trampling on people who if they have the means to resist become very difficult to deal with.  Hence, the centralist government once in power, may that be NAZI, Mao, Stalin, the former Yugoslavia.....they will all disarm their citizens.
  
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Re: Why No One Invades Switzerland
Reply #6 - 05/16/10 at 21:12:46
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Red6.1 wrote on 05/15/10 at 10:17:07:
I grew up in Germany where they have some of the tightest gun laws imaginable.

Still criminals have guns.  You still had the worst school shooting ever until Virginia tech (Erfurt Germany)...........

All tight gun laws do is disarm citizens and make them into subjects.  It takes away a humans ability of defense for self, family, property and rights.  The human is a soft animal without claws, fangs...etc.  Humans have always used tools, and they are a predatory animal as witnessed by our stereoscopic vision and canine teeth.  Indeed it is difficult to get our complete dietary needs on a vegan diet, and in nature it would be impossible.  As such,the gun is the tool we use with our opposable thumb for protection, food.....etc.  Those that wish to deny people the right to bear arms, essentially are trying to deny a "natural right."  Even an ant will defend himself.  

Gun laws tip the scale in the balance of powers towards a centralized government.  Today in our public schools we teach the balance of powers to mean the three branches of government, but they don't really get into the part about the states (10th Amendment), or the individual where the second amendment plays a critical part.  All tight gun laws do is make it difficult for the collector, hunter, those with family heirlooms, people who wish to defend themselves and don't have a "victim mentality."

Those advocating gun laws really fall into one of two broad groups:

1.  The misguided idiot  basing his position on "feelings." Those that fall for the illogical fallacies presented as arguments, i.e. the sob stories/appeal to emotion.....celeb endorsement.......appeal to authority........ad hominem attacks...... bandwagon.

2. The socialist that sees the ownership of firearms as a threat.  The hard core centralist sees a threat in the ownership of firearms because the people have the means to resist.  While he won't state it as such, he might not even see it this way in his own mind, the bottom line is that he has a vision of how society should be, and this is only possible by trampling on people who if they have the means to resist become very difficult to deal with.  Hence, the centralist government once in power, may that be NAZI, Mao, Stalin, the former Yugoslavia.....they will all disarm their citizens.

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Re: Why No One Invades Switzerland
Reply #7 - 05/16/10 at 23:15:11
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duster wrote on 05/16/10 at 21:12:46:
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The attack on the second amendment is possible because you have citizens that are more urban, affluent, and their rights as well as security they take for granted (there is no perceived threat).

Like many in the West, in such a world people are susceptible to the ignorant arguments of those attempting to restrict gun ownership.  Like the rich urban kid advocating socialism and going to a private university paid for by mommy and daddy..... you have a distortion in society because to only very few Americans is the Holocaust a reality, no one really thinks that they will loose their rights or be trampled on as in Tibet, most kids don't even know where their food comes from.  How many take the crime and terror present in much of the world to heart?  Do most people really fear driving across the country, going out for a walk at night.....?  The reality that there is a part of the world (i.e. Iran) that would love to cut their throat is not taken serious.............  The American lives in an artificial bubble and while Iran builds longer range missiles and develops nukes, all that seems to matter is who won "Dancing with the Stars" last night. 

In such a world, you can make an argument to someone for the restriction of firearms, because their "perception" is all skewed/screwed-up.

The exact same reason why so many would agree that we should cut on defense (If you convince them that they can somehow dip into these funds for their own benefit, i.e. programs for the poor, kids, education, to subsidies a crashing housing market....whatever) is why you can convince so many so easily that guns need: registered, assault weapons banned, transportation regulated, waiting periods, etc etc etc. 

As you're surely aware, the way they will strip Americans of their "rights" is not by crossing out the Constitution with a big red marker; but through bureaucratic nut-rolls, taxes, fees, licenses, rules on transport, ammunition types allowed, rules on imports, magazine capacities, stock design, storage requirements......... What they will do is rob you of your rights by making is so difficult, so expensive, that most give up.  But technically they did not take the right from you.
  
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Re: Why No One Invades Switzerland
Reply #8 - 05/17/10 at 08:17:58
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Red6.1 wrote on 05/16/10 at 23:15:11:
The attack on the second amendment is possible because you have citizens that are more urban, affluent, and their rights as well as security they take for granted (there is no perceived threat).

Like many in the West, in such a world people are susceptible to the ignorant arguments of those attempting to restrict gun ownership.  Like the rich urban kid advocating socialism and going to a private university paid for by mommy and daddy..... you have a distortion in society because to only very few Americans is the Holocaust a reality, no one really thinks that they will loose their rights or be trampled on as in Tibet, most kids don't even know where their food comes from.  How many take the crime and terror present in much of the world to heart?  Do most people really fear driving across the country, going out for a walk at night.....?  The reality that there is a part of the world (i.e. Iran) that would love to cut their throat is not taken serious.............  The American lives in an artificial bubble and while Iran builds longer range missiles and develops nukes, all that seems to matter is who won "Dancing with the Stars" last night.  

In such a world, you can make an argument to someone for the restriction of firearms, because their "perception" is all skewed/screwed-up.

The exact same reason why so many would agree that we should cut on defense (If you convince them that they can somehow dip into these funds for their own benefit, i.e. programs for the poor, kids, education, to subsidies a crashing housing market....whatever) is why you can convince so many so easily that guns need: registered, assault weapons banned, transportation regulated, waiting periods, etc etc etc.  

As you're surely aware, the way they will strip Americans of their "rights" is not by crossing out the Constitution with a big red marker; but through bureaucratic nut-rolls, taxes, fees, licenses, rules on transport, ammunition types allowed, rules on imports, magazine capacities, stock design, storage requirements......... What they will do is rob you of your rights by making is so difficult, so expensive, that most give up.  But technically they did not take the right from you.

Exactly why we need to be ahead of the curve.  Stock up, start to reload your ammo, etc.
  

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Re: Why No One Invades Switzerland
Reply #9 - 05/22/10 at 15:50:44
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The thing about 'stripping Americans of their rights' is...is our rights don't actually come from America, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the president etc. Our rights come from God. All they can really strip is the legality of those rights.

I live in a place where carrying a gun is illegal. I don't really care about that law. God gave me the right to defend and protect myself. They take the gun, I'll get a stick. They take the stick, I'll get a rock...take the rock and I'll use my nails and teeth.

the control they think they have over the rights God gave me is an illusion, a veil over their eyes.

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