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Another attack on public prayer
09/30/10 at 05:35:37
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Louie Fromm, an assistant coach for the Holmes County Pee Wee Football Association, formally requested on Monday that the Vernon, Fla., City Council end the league's traditional 50-yard-line pregame prayer ritual, alleging that his and his son's First Amendment rights are being violated.
League officials say they are a private organization that takes no government money, and the city has no right to prevent them from saying prayers on the field before games. But Fromm says the league may be private, but the field on which it plays its games isn't. It's public property, Fromm says, and the city must order the pregame prayers to stop.
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Here’s the father’s nonsensical statement:
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"So those of you here tonight to hear the terms and conditions required to appease a single upset individual, I say to you that you have been grossly misinformed and blinded by a small group of religious fundamentalists who would like to convince you that a single individual is attempting to take away, of all phrases, your First Amendment rights -- when I am, in fact, here to make you aware that yours and your children's rights to religious freedom under the U.S. Constitution have already been hijacked by that very same group."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/29/florida-parent-protests-prayer-ritual-footb...

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


So who is trying to hijack the Constitution Mr. Fromm?  You are trying to get a law passed that directly limits the free exercise of religion because you don’t like it.  What law was passed requiring your son to pray?  None.
  
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Reply #1 - 09/30/10 at 13:08:19
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What law was passed that requires his son to be on the football team?
  
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Re: Another attack on public prayer
Reply #2 - 09/30/10 at 18:02:16
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This was never an issue many moons ago.  I have worked in the schools since dinosaurs roamed these grounds.  I was also a Boy and Girl Scout Troop leader for many years.  In that time we had people of other faiths, such as Jehovah Witnesses, etc.  When it came time to say the Pledge of the Legions, they just stood there not taking a part in this.  In my Boy Scout Troop we had one young man that left the room when we sited the Boy Scout Pledge, or said the Flag Salute.  It was never a big deal!!  Now these wackos take this all to court and expect everyone to bow to their wishes.  What about *my* rights????  As long as the State had nothing to do with writing or setting up the pray, ---sorry----no way!!
  

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Re: Another attack on public prayer
Reply #3 - 01/21/11 at 14:35:44
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And the onslaught on faith continues.  I find it funny that organizations like the Au who try to completely separate Church and state to the most radical degree.  Well their organization is headed by a ordained minister.  Of his own church.  That he calls the United Church Of Christ.  Which should really just be called Left Wing Politics Are My Religion, we will only save your soul if you completely disregard what traditional Christianity truly teaches.  Its good to be informed.  Thanks for the post!
  
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Re: Another attack on public prayer
Reply #4 - 01/23/11 at 12:51:04
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Judeo Christian philosophy created this great nation and those who want it to fail use every opportunity to decimate that philosophy.
  

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Reply #5 - 01/30/11 at 15:15:42
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Dave wrote on 01/23/11 at 12:51:04:
Judeo Christian philosophy created this great nation and those who want it to fail use every opportunity to decimate that philosophy.


Actually it was Christian ideals that formed the USA.  The Jews belive that the Son of God would be a warrior with a sword in hand who would kill the non-Jews. Christ tought peace. The Jews couldn't abide this. That's why they turned Him over to the Romans and helped to crucify him.
  
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Re: Another attack on public prayer
Reply #6 - 01/30/11 at 17:13:57
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cj_real_american wrote on 09/30/10 at 18:02:16:
This was never an issue many moons ago.  I have worked in the schools since dinosaurs roamed these grounds.  I was also a Boy and Girl Scout Troop leader for many years.  In that time we had people of other faiths, such as Jehovah Witnesses, etc.  When it came time to say the Pledge of the Legions, they just stood there not taking a part in this.  In my Boy Scout Troop we had one young man that left the room when we sited the Boy Scout Pledge, or said the Flag Salute.

But that makes poor Jimmy feel bad because he is being excluded based on the choices of his family.  If Jimmy does not feel welcome there are other orginizations he can join.
  
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Re: Another attack on public prayer
Reply #7 - 01/31/11 at 10:23:12
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Dave wrote on 01/23/11 at 12:51:04:
Judeo Christian philosophy created this great nation and those who want it to fail use every opportunity to decimate that philosophy.


AMEN

We seem to have no rights under the current perverted concept; of prayer is always improper everywhere.

Yet these rights were secured by Men of prayer. It can not be said often enough:

Freedom of Religion, not freedom from religion
  
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Reply #8 - 02/08/11 at 21:46:17
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In all fairness, the New Testament forbids public/collective prayer.

God makes this nation great.
  
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Reply #9 - 02/08/11 at 21:48:56
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In all fairness, the New Testament forbids public/collective prayer.

God makes this nation great.


How's so.
  
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