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Reply #10 - 10/24/11 at 16:06:42
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It lives ONLY through the amendment process, although the appointment of activist Supreme court Justices have gone far in eliminating the consent of the governed from having much say in government today.
  
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Reply #11 - 12/05/11 at 22:08:56
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Obama makes me vomit with his whole hidding behind congress nonsense.  He has been on the campaign trail for months now, he doesn't care about the constitution.  These libs use it as a talking point for votes PERIOD!
  
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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #12 - 02/08/12 at 07:02:40
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Declrd2Bfree wrote on 10/13/11 at 16:47:03:
the amendment process gives us the means to apply the ideas and concepts stated in the Constitution to a modern world.
in this sense, the Constitution is "alive"

the left uses the term "living document" in the Hegelian fashion...that history must be applied to the basic concepts of the Constitution to change those basic concepts to be more in line with what people WANT now.

The Founders hoped that the Constitution would survive into a future they couldn't imagine and they wanted the future citizens to have a way to apply the document and its concepts and ideas to that world, building the future on the foundation of what they made
but that is not what the left wants
the left wants to change the foundation itself which is why they take what is essentially accurate and one of the best qualities of the Constitution and turn it into an ugly weapon
the US Constitution does "live" in the sense that it can grow into the future along with the country
but it is not living: aware of history and ready to change its very nature to accommodate the present

Beautifully said.  Would that SCOTUS could reason so succinctly and clearly.
  
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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #13 - 08/14/12 at 12:39:51
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The Constitution of the United States is NOT worth the paper it was written on!

It is not the physical object that has value, it is the content of the words.
The constitution is part of the foundation that this nation was built upon.
The other parts of the foundation are competent education and a moral society.
When the morality and education is undermined by political ideology, the foundation begins to crumble.
Then when the politicians have no regard for the foundational principals, there is totalitarianism brewing.
  

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents-J. Madison
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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #14 - 08/14/12 at 15:37:02
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Declrd2Bfree wrote on 10/13/11 at 16:47:03:
the amendment process gives us the means to apply the ideas and concepts stated in the Constitution to a modern world.
in this sense, the Constitution is "alive"

the left uses the term "living document" in the Hegelian fashion...that history must be applied to the basic concepts of the Constitution to change those basic concepts to be more in line with what people WANT now.

The Founders hoped that the Constitution would survive into a future they couldn't imagine and they wanted the future citizens to have a way to apply the document and its concepts and ideas to that world, building the future on the foundation of what they made
but that is not what the left wants
the left wants to change the foundation itself which is why they take what is essentially accurate and one of the best qualities of the Constitution and turn it into an ugly weapon
the US Constitution does "live" in the sense that it can grow into the future along with the country
but it is not living: aware of history and ready to change its very nature to accommodate the present


Beautifully said.  The Founders knew that the world would change, and, as you pointed out, wished to provide a means for that change to be recognized.  They also knew that human nature would never change, and that was the underlying concern.  After all, they had the history of centuries of repeated attempts to form successful governments, all of which fell to the frailties of human nature.
  
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Reply #15 - 08/14/12 at 16:23:15
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Liberals love the idea of the Constitution being a "living document" because they think they'll always be the ones deciding which way to grows.  I say let's have Dick Cheney spend 20 years filling judicial appointments and filling up the bureaucracies and see if they still like the idea.
  
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Reply #16 - 09/03/12 at 18:23:27
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mudnducs wrote on 10/10/11 at 15:06:13:
Christian churches have been a target for Marxist/progressive ideals for a couple generations....they are being undermined so that individual liberty can be undermined.  Cultural Marxism.


You got that right! Marxists have infiltrated churches, just like they've done with our dept. of marxism (education). That's why Ron Paul's idea of eliminating the dept. of education is  a great idea.
Concerning the churches, they've allowed the marxists to dictate that the bible was a socialist teaching, which it is not. THere are several places where incentives are stressed, and those who do well are rewarded, where those who do not are reprimanded. But, they never talk about that, do they?
  
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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #17 - 09/05/12 at 19:36:33
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mortarman wrote on 06/25/11 at 20:01:48:
Well iffen it is a "living document" then the libturds are bound and determined to kill it.


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In my opinion it has been dead for quite some time.  Unless somebody can point to provisions of the constitution that are in full force, I will continue to believe it is dead.
  

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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #18 - 01/23/13 at 09:48:43
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  The constitution is slipping into a state of oblivion, it's no longer in the hearts of minds of majority of Americans even in the military. They remain ignorant of it, and how gives them, and protect their rights. From my experience being in military, no even cares about the document, it doesn't exist. The only time it's even mentioned is when there is reenlistment ceremonies. There is no classes on it, not even included in the board for promotion. Creeds, and FM's are more important than our "living document." Sad to say.
  
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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #19 - 01/25/13 at 08:15:51
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Only democrats could politicize our Constitution by slapping a label on it, "living document," as opposed to what?  A dead document?   There is no such thing as a "living document."  

Now tug on their logic here.  Are they implying that contracts are "living documents?"   I guess so, as they nullified the contracts of GM.  So to a liberal, everything is meaningless, and can be changed on a whim.      

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