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I'm sick of the "living document" fable
06/02/11 at 16:50:45
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You know, the one that says the Constitution must be reinterpreted according to whatever is in vogue, as opposed to what the Founders meant when they wrote it?  Sadly, many in my own Church have been deceived by this great lie, though I think it's getting better.

Anyone else had it too?
  
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Reply #1 - 06/11/11 at 12:51:19
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I remember hearing in school that the constitution was in fact a living document, because it could be amended. I don't think that's what you mean, because obviously it can be amended and repealed, etc.

So what exactly do you mean?
  
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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #2 - 06/13/11 at 09:30:53
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Twenty wrote on 06/11/11 at 12:51:19:
I remember hearing in school that the constitution was in fact a living document, because it could be amended. I don't think that's what you mean, because obviously it can be amended and repealed, etc.

So what exactly do you mean?


The amendment process was the product of the FFs but they also weren't opening the door for allowing the Judiciary to re-interpret the founder's intent. What we see today is often activist judges who legislate from the bench in order to promote their political agenda. They seek not to have lawmakers move to the amendment process, but rather rule according to their own opinion.
This is the example/ case which defines 'living constitution' by the left who have used activist jurors to further an agenda that often failed in Congress.
If we compare the Constitution to any other contract we acknowledge the intent of the legal document cannot be altered or changed at will.

This link may help....
A Living Constitution?
  

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Reply #3 - 06/25/11 at 16:34:41
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our Constitution is most assuredly a "living document" as it remains constant through a series of different players and circumstances - it is those players and circumstances who wish to change the Constitution and "Remold it closer to the Hearts Desire" as the Fabian socialists say ..

The Constitution assures an equal orrortunity, and they want an equal result - that is problem #1 with the Obama mindset

  

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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #4 - 06/25/11 at 20:01:48
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Well iffen it is a "living document" then the libturds are bound and determined to kill it.


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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #5 - 10/10/11 at 15:06:13
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Christian churches have been a target for Marxist/progressive ideals for a couple generations....they are being undermined so that individual liberty can be undermined.  Cultural Marxism.
  

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Reply #6 - 10/12/11 at 20:14:10
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Only democrats could politicize our Constitution by slapping a label on it, "living document," as opposed to what?  A dead document?   There is no such thing as a "living document." 

Now tug on their logic here.  Are they implying that contracts are "living documents?"   I guess so, as they nullified the contracts of GM.  So to a liberal, everything is meaningless, and can be changed on a whim.      
  
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Reply #7 - 10/12/11 at 23:20:35
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GringoBob wrote on 06/25/11 at 16:34:41:
our Constitution is most assuredly a "living document" as it remains constant through a series of different players and circumstances - it is those players and circumstances who wish to change the Constitution and "Remold it closer to the Hearts Desire" as the Fabian socialists say ..

The Constitution assures an equal orrortunity, and they want an equal result - that is problem #1 with the Obama mindset



I would suggest, Bob, this has been the norm at least since 1954. It is not a new phenomenon, nor is it exclusively the mindset of Obama and the DIMS.
  

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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #8 - 10/13/11 at 16:47:03
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the amendment process gives us the means to apply the ideas and concepts stated in the Constitution to a modern world.
in this sense, the Constitution is "alive"

the left uses the term "living document" in the Hegelian fashion...that history must be applied to the basic concepts of the Constitution to change those basic concepts to be more in line with what people WANT now.

The Founders hoped that the Constitution would survive into a future they couldn't imagine and they wanted the future citizens to have a way to apply the document and its concepts and ideas to that world, building the future on the foundation of what they made
but that is not what the left wants
the left wants to change the foundation itself which is why they take what is essentially accurate and one of the best qualities of the Constitution and turn it into an ugly weapon
the US Constitution does "live" in the sense that it can grow into the future along with the country
but it is not living: aware of history and ready to change its very nature to accommodate the present
  

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Re: I'm sick of the "living document" fable
Reply #9 - 10/13/11 at 20:56:08
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Declrd2Bfree wrote on 10/13/11 at 16:47:03:
the amendment process gives us the means to apply the ideas and concepts stated in the Constitution to a modern world.
in this sense, the Constitution is "alive"

the left uses the term "living document" in the Hegelian fashion...that history must be applied to the basic concepts of the Constitution to change those basic concepts to be more in line with what people WANT now.

The Founders hoped that the Constitution would survive into a future they couldn't imagine and they wanted the future citizens to have a way to apply the document and its concepts and ideas to that world, building the future on the foundation of what they made
but that is not what the left wants
the left wants to change the foundation itself which is why they take what is essentially accurate and one of the best qualities of the Constitution and turn it into an ugly weapon
the US Constitution does "live" in the sense that it can grow into the future along with the country
but it is not living: aware of history and ready to change its very nature to accommodate the present



Well said Sir!  I don't know from Hegelian.

I do know that the Founding Fathers, those hated old pink guys, studied history well and looked to it for the foundation to build a government for their posterity...to build into our future.  To do that they looked at human nature; they studied what had worked in the past and they gave mankind...all men, a path to sustained self rule.

It's laughable when you think about people like algore, nancypelosi, clinton (the greater and the lesser), sotomayor, the wise latina, barak (I like to spread it arouuuund) obama,  van jones, eric holder, rahm (never let a good crisis...) emanuel and their ilk not only suggesting but practically demanding that those giants of history step aside to their better views.

It makes my head almost explode thinking about it.


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