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We must Break the 2 Party System!
09/13/11 at 02:09:18
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Many of our founders warned against allowing a 2 party system to take control of our political system but we refused to listen. Now we have a ruling class elite who are unchallengeable for the most part and if a candidate is not part of the "click" it is very difficult to break into the system. This is the exact opposite scenario that our Founders intended to create.

George Washington admonished us "in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party." He went on in detail:
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

Breaking up the 2 party system and the lock it had on our political process must be the FIRST step we take towards restoring our precious Republic. We must find a way to elect statesmen who will represent the citizens interest who elect them not the current crop of career politicians who are RAPING our country!
"'Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who ... will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.'
Samuel Adams
If we do not do this then there WILL be the need at some point for the 2nd amendment
Fredrick Douglass
"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

I will be the one who files the suit in Bama!
Read my sig it says it all.
  

Fredrick Douglass&&"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
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Re: We must Break the 2 Party System!
Reply #1 - 09/13/11 at 02:10:53
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What we now have in this nation is not a Republic but THIS!
Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία, oligarkhía[1]) is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, corporate, or military control Throughout history, most oligarchies have been tyrannical, relying on public servitude to exist.
Modern democracies should be considered as oligarchies. In these systems, actual differences between viable political rivals are small, the oligarchic elite impose strict limits on what constitutes an acceptable and respectable political position, and politicians' careers depend heavily on unelected economic and media elites. Thus the popular phrase: there is only one political party, the incumbent party.
Thomas Jefferson
" The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."

  

Fredrick Douglass&&"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
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Re: We must Break the 2 Party System!
Reply #2 - 09/13/11 at 02:12:35
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THIS is what the Dems and the GOP have done as of now to us in Alabama!
Alabama
On.June 1, HB 425 became law. It
moves the petition deadline for
newly qualifying parties, and nonpresidential
independent candidates,
from June to the second Tuesday in
March, in presidential election years!
The purpose of the bill was not to
move the deadline; the purpose of
the bill was to move the primary (for
all office) in presidential years from
June to March. The bill eliminated
the February presidential primary.
But because the petition deadline is
tied to the date of the primary, by
moving the primary three months
earlier, the legislature caused the
petition deadline to become three
months earlier. .It is not known if
the legislature noticed the effect on
minor party and independent candidate
petition deadlines.
In Alabama, as in most states,
newly-qualifying parties nominate by
convention, not by primary, Alabama
has a "sore loser" law preventing
anyone who ran in the primary
from becoming an independent candidate
(for office other than President).
Therefore, there is no state
interest in a petition deadline as
early as March.
In 1990, a U.S. District Court ruled
that the old petition deadline, 60
days before the primary, was unconstitutional.
In 1991, the 11thcircuit unanimously
affirmed that decision, New Alliance
Party of Alabama v Hand, 933 F.2d
1568. Thus, that decision struck
down an April petition deadline. At
the time, the number of signatures
was 1% of the last gubernatorial
vote, and there had been many minor
party and independent candidates on
the ballot during the preceding ten
years. The court opinion noted that
the April deadline has not blocked
all minor party and independent
candidates from the ballot, but still
strock it down because it couldn't
see any good reason for the deadline
to be as early as April.
It is very likely that a new lawsuit
will be filed against the March petition
deadline, perhaps by the Constitution,
Green and Libertarian Parties.
That case will be stronger than
the 1990 case, because in the last
eight years, there have been no minor
party or independent candidates
on the statewide ballot (except that
independent presidential candidates
have qualified, because they only
need 5,000 signatures and that petition
is not due until early September).
In 2010, Alabama was one of
only five states with no minor party
or independent candidates on the
ballot for statewide office.
Another reason the new lawsuit will
be stronger than the 2012 lawsuit is
that the 2012 lawsuit involves presidential
elections. Precedents against
early petition deadlines involving
presidential elections are even
stronger than precedents involving
elections for other office, especially
in the 11th Circuit.
And, of course, a third reason the
new lawsuit will be stronger than the
1990 case is that the new deadline,
in March, is earlier than the April
deadline that had been struck down.

FYI I will be the one who is responsible for filing the suit and forcing this issue. Why you ask my sig says it ALL!
  

Fredrick Douglass&&"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
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Re: We must Break the 2 Party System!
Reply #3 - 09/22/11 at 06:38:26
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The two party system is the natural result of dichotomy.  On any given issue, there are ususally pros and cons.  Those holding opposing viewpoints naturally combine into focused groups, in order to magnify the power of their opinions. Voila!!  Two "Parties".

Or, we could immitate Italy, and have so many parties that governance is a joke.
  
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Re: We must Break the 2 Party System!
Reply #4 - 10/08/11 at 23:16:49
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I don't care if we have a one party system; I simply DEMAND that at least one of the parties follow our Constitution!
I'll vote for that one.
  

I will never forget.&&&&Our government is ignoring it's function, it's duty, it's boundaries and us.&&We elected 'conservatives' into the House in 2010 on the "November is coming" platform..insistent that they unhinge Oholecare, destroy it by whatever means necessary.&&Who did we get? Boehner. pfft.&&&&They have mealy mouthed us, weaseled us, redirected us, and spun us.....they have ignored us.&&I am flabbergasted that so many conservatives still want to give Republicans another chance.
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Re: We must Break the 2 Party System!
Reply #5 - 10/24/11 at 16:09:38
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Do we really have 2 parties any longer?
  
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Reply #6 - 07/09/12 at 23:24:24
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Let's see, there's the Republican Party, The Democratic Party, the Conservative Party, The Peace and Freedom Party, The Socialist Party, The Green Party, The Communist Party, and a few other parties.   We have more than a two party system.
  
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Re: We must Break the 2 Party System!
Reply #7 - 08/09/12 at 20:11:17
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I think that Washington was referring to Party as if it were a team.  When one finds oneself in agreement with a respected group, a sense of team loyalty develops.  The sense of team loyalty can blind one to the faults of the team's logic and position.  Add to that a stubborn resistance to ever admitting that one had been wrong, and you have an inflexible position.

I see no other reason for otherwise smart and decent people to remain faithful to the destructive aims of the democrat Party.
  
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Reply #8 - 09/05/12 at 22:04:14
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Dream on, that won't ever happen.
All a 3rd party does is split the conservative vote, which lets the dems win.
You might as well be wishing for a bag of money to fall from the sky.
  
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Reply #9 - 09/10/12 at 21:27:25
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Allen wrote on 09/05/12 at 22:04:14:
Dream on, that won't ever happen.
All a 3rd party does is split the conservative vote, which lets the dems win.
You might as well be wishing for a bag of money to fall from the sky.


Not necessarily, the three party system in Canada  split up the lefties into the Liberal party and the NDP, giving the conservatives the win. Wink
  
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