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Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?
10/20/11 at 13:11:24
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Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?
By Matt Danzico and Kate Dailey BBC News Magazine

In Philadelphia, American and British lawyers have debated the legality of America's founding documents.

On Tuesday night, while Republican candidates in Nevada were debating such American issues as nuclear waste disposal and the immigration status of Mitt Romney's gardener, American and British lawyers in Philadelphia were taking on a far more fundamental topic.

Namely, just what did Thomas Jefferson think he was doing?

By 4 July, America's founding fathers approved a simple document penned by Jefferson that enumerated their grievances and announced themselves a sovereign nation.

Called the Declaration of Independence, it was a blow for freedom, a call to war, and the founding of a new empire.

It was also totally illegitimate and illegal.

At least, that was what lawyers from the UK argued during a debate at Philadelphia's Ben Franklin Hall.

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A little late to be discussing this I think. And what do they expect to do if it was determined illegal? Shytcan it? I doubt it.
  


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Reply #1 - 10/20/11 at 21:15:36
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Nyte_Byrd wrote on 10/20/11 at 13:11:24:
Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?
By Matt Danzico and Kate Dailey BBC News Magazine

In Philadelphia, American and British lawyers have debated the legality of America's founding documents.

On Tuesday night, while Republican candidates in Nevada were debating such American issues as nuclear waste disposal and the immigration status of Mitt Romney's gardener, American and British lawyers in Philadelphia were taking on a far more fundamental topic.

Namely, just what did Thomas Jefferson think he was doing?

By 4 July, America's founding fathers approved a simple document penned by Jefferson that enumerated their grievances and announced themselves a sovereign nation.

Called the Declaration of Independence, it was a blow for freedom, a call to war, and the founding of a new empire.

It was also totally illegitimate and illegal.

At least, that was what lawyers from the UK argued during a debate at Philadelphia's Ben Franklin Hall.

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A little late to be discussing this I think. And what do they expect to do if it was determined illegal? Shytcan it? I doubt it.



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If Great Britain had won the war of American independence, the actions leading up to open warfare would have been deemed illegal. As it is,we won, and by fait accompli the actions were legal. Winners write the history, and despite what some believe, might does make right (or at least determines what is legal.)

Word to the British: get over it. We kicked your a$$ when we had only a third of your population, so don't try us again today.
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Well, of course it was illegal by thier laws, but that's the point isn't it? We didn't agree to thier laws. We set out to establish our own. How can our Declaration of Independence be against our chosen set of laws? The very definition of Revolution should explain this quite clearly. What's to debate? Wink
  
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gabriel wrote on 10/20/11 at 21:15:36:
"Stop quoting laws to us. We carry swords."-- Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus


If Great Britain had won the war of American independence, the actions leading up to open warfare would have been deemed illegal. As it is,we won, and by fait accompli the actions were legal. Winners write the history, and despite what some believe, might does make right (or at least determines what is legal.)

Word to the British: get over it. We kicked your a$$ when we had only a third of your population, so don't try us again today.



Good post.


...although Great Britain for all practical purposes has been dead about 10 years...they just haven't realized it yet. They are now a PC/defacto Mooslim nation.


sad....apparently British patriots were wrong, there won't always be an England.


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Reply #4 - 10/21/11 at 19:57:05
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mudnducs wrote on 10/21/11 at 15:35:13:
Good post.


...although Great Britain for all practical purposes has been dead about 10 years...they just haven't realized it yet. They are now a PC/defacto Mooslim nation.


sad....apparently British patriots were wrong, there won't always be an England.



I found this story in The Sun to be shocking. Great Britain is perhaps our main ally, and certainly one of the big players in NATO, which had as it's original objective the stopping and defeating of the Soiet Union in a European battle.  Of what use would Great Britain's pathetic military now be in such a scenario?



Britain has got more Generals than tanks: Fleet just 200...but chiefs number 256 -- http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/3851321/Britain-has...

A FORMER British spy has revealed the Army now has more Generals than main battle tanks.

Senior Military Intelligence officer Frank Ledwidge found shock figures showing 256 senior officers Brigadiers and Generals and just 200 Challenger 2 tanks.

And there are THREE times more Top Brass than Apache helicopters which have saved countless lives in Afghanistan.

  
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Only from the time it was written up until the war ended allowing us to gain our independence.
Today both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution are legal although many of our current serving politicians seem to circumvent them in favor of their own agenda.
  
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Only from the time it was written up until the war ended allowing us to gain our independence.
Today both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution are legal although many of our current serving politicians seem to circumvent them in favor of their own agenda.


Exactly what do you mean when you say the DOI is 'legal'? It has never been codified into law.
  

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The Declaration of Independence is not a law but a statement proclaiming the intent of becoming independent from British rule, which led us to the war which once we prevailed allowed us to create and ratify the U.S. Constitution as the Supreme law of our Nation. Had we lost the war and remained a subject of British rule, the document would remain in the annals of history as illegal under British law, and an act of treason.
The DOI was not written as a law, although it proclaimed the natural right of individuals to break the law under which they felt they were being oppressively ruled at the time, or in the future, as found necessary.
  
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"THE REPUBLIC DIED AT APPOMATTOX!"

Obviously the legality of ones actions requires the ability to prevail in carrying them out, which then results in the authority to create and enforce the laws. History does repeat though, and hard fought for freedoms can be quickly lost or gradually lost if we are not careful enough to diligently protect them.
  
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The OP asks "IS it illegal", and then goes on to say that "It WAS illegal", which is accurate. If it IS illegal, would Britain care to try and exercise its right to reclaim the continent? Or might Britain prefer to retain its independence?
  
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