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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #10 - May 16^th, 2012, 5:04am

The existence of this thread (tolerance for faggotry) on a conservative forum answers many questions for me as to why our country has gone done the sh!tter.

Faggotry in any form is not moral. Not moral is not conservative. This subject being discussed with tolerance is not a conservative discussion. The cesspool of our society is exemplified by the tolerance shown in this thread for faggotry.

This attempt to create tolerance for this discussion confirms many of my suspicions. DADT should be strictly enforced should anyone’s FEELINGS be hurt by this statement. Once again, variance from tried and proven principles and morals are eating away at the conservative foundation. What's even more disturbing is that this 'tolerance' is being tolerated on a conservative forum.

Ignoring the issue is not the answer; however, pointing out that the very discussion of tolerance for faggotry is immoral, is not ignoring the issue.

What you tolerate will come to own you. History, people. History.

Admin and Mods, I have great respect for you folks, but I just gotta ask this question:

WTF is this discussion for tolerance of faggotry doing on this forum?

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #11 - May 16^th, 2012, 9:02am

countzero wrote on May 16^th, 2012, 12:54am:

Its another slippery slope, where does it all end? Two wives, three wives? Can you marry a sheep? How about your pet dog? What about your sister?

EXACTLY!

Oklahoma passed a Defense of Marriage amendment to our State Constitution in 2006. Oh happy Day!

I do not want my grandchildren and their yet to be born children to be taught that "It's O.K. to be Gay". It is not O.K. with our Creator and I believe it is a learned behavior; a preference. A weakness.

Should we not punish thieves and child molesters because "God made them that way"?

Did God make drug abusers? NO. It too is a learned behavior.

What about the RIGHTS of others. Suppose I owned an apartment building and had a policy of only renting to "married couples". I would be sued on discrimination charges for refusing to rent to a same sex couple that is "married".

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #12 - May 16^th, 2012, 9:23am

The whole reason people are "gay" confuses me. I do believe in tolerance, though, for any lifestyle consenting ADULTS want to do in private not affecting children. I am totally against promoting it to kids with the agenda being used by the liberals to do so.

As for legal stuff, I just don't know enough about the legal ramifications, but think if they want to function like marriage partners legally, perhaps that is ok. However MARRIAGE should be reserved for one man, and one woman. No marrying trees, dogs, cats, same sex, sister wives, no overturning thousands of years of tradition.

I think kids are BEST raised and adopted into a MARRIED home. That should be the encouraging factor by society. And schools shouldn't be teaching history based on sex, period. Or teaching sex , period. At appropriate ages, say, twelve and up, a school should teach the basics of reproduction as science and also encourage and stress total abstinance until kids are adults, while teaching there are methods of contraception, but they should not be handing out condoms nor promoting abortion.

It might be valuable as part of their education to show babies in utero, how they develop, listen to the heartbeat, etc. And teach the options available OTHER than abortion for an unwanted pregnancy to let them know no BABY need be unwanted.

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #13 - May 16^th, 2012, 9:27am

Gay Marriage...NO
Gay Adoption....NO
Gay Acceptance....NO
Gay Tolerance.....no way to get rid of them is there

Homosexuality is not normal, we need to find out what causes it for sure and erradicate that. I blame the acceptance crowd in part and the public school systems. I also blame society's acceptance of "sex sells". You can't hardly watch anything on TV without explicit sexual content, inuendo and suggestion. Even video games are full of it these days.
Our society is prodicing little hornballs that are determined to "get it" anywhere it's available...thats where these kids are coming from that are claiming bi-sexuality. Commercialism of sex needs to be stopped.

I don't see the problem with discussion of the topic on a conservative forum either....how are matters to be dealt with by not discussing them. A failure to communicate helps no one.

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Also homosexuals should NOT be allowed within talking distance of children. No teachers positions at all, period. They don't reproduce...they recruit.

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #15 - May 16^th, 2012, 9:34am

this dude abides wrote on May 15^th, 2012, 11:25pm:

I am undecided on how I'll vote this fall for same-sex marriage here in New Jersey. I believe this is a state issue and initially, I said I'd oppose same-sex marriage here. Now, I'm not sure. Let me say that unlike Obama, my reasoning is not political, but personal. I do not believe, as Obama does, that opposing same-sex marriage is "the wrong side of history" here is what's going through my mind and I hope you all try to persuade me one way or another;

Reasons to support;
the government needs to stay out of the bedroom, period. I am not saying I approve of gay marriage on a personal level, but public policy in this country needs to reflect free people. My personal opinion is that same-sex marriage is wrong not because I'm anti-gay, but because I believe in maintaining marriage because one man and one woman. But, that is my personal view and I'm not sure public policy should reflect the view of some, but not all or the majority. Furthermore, I think that in some ways, society has mistreated gay people and made them conceal their identities, which has led to them engaging in bad behavior such as drug use or other crimes.

Reasons to oppose;
I can not support gay adoption because I feel the best place for a child is with two straight, married parents. Second best would be two unmarried parents. Third would be single parents. Fourth would be other relatives. Fifth would be a same-sex couple. Furthermore, I don't believe that society should re-define the sanctity of marriage, though marriages are becoming more of a "thing to do" than tradition, which is not good in my view.

I can't believe you are even having trouble with this. To me, it is a no-brainer. Marriage is for a man and a woman!

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #16 - May 16^th, 2012, 9:44am

You all have me thinking, seriously, that is why I brought this up.

LG: In my core, I agree with your assessment. But, the question for me is what I think public policy should be. Furthermore, I don't dislike gays. I don't know you, but I'm betting if all women had your personality + intellect there would be no homosexuals

Conservative Heros: I am decided that I do not believe gay adoption is ideal, but to me the issue of marriage is what is in question.

Retro: I agree with your points

FB: I don't think its necessary to bash gays. The issue is not discrimination, of course homosexuals deserve equal rights in housing, employment, etc that is what our country is all about.

This is not an easy issue for me, I thought it was. Re-defining marriage is not ideal to me, but it really comes down to what public policy, not my personal or anyones personal policy, should look like.

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #17 - May 16^th, 2012, 10:01am

Thats why I said, "Gay Marraige...NO".

Gay adoption shouldn't even be on the table. Anyone who has values needed to be gay has a twisted view of reality and should be kept as far away from influencing children as possible. If they wanted kids then they should have chosen a hetero lifestyle, otherwise they should just get a pet (poor pet)....fish maybe.

I'm not encoraging "Gaybashing"....they shouldn't be persecuted for being gay but their impact on society should be minimized and discouraged at every turn....not accepted and encoraged as "normal behavior" and rewarded with gay marraige.

Gay marriage is, IMV, akin to the "reward everyone" the schools seem to favor these days. Marriage is for hetero's so leave it alone. I'm leaning toward accepting civil unions for them to deal with legalities mentioned but thats as far as I'm willing to accept anything to do with homosexuality.

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #18 - May 16^th, 2012, 10:04am

this dude abides wrote on May 16^th, 2012, 9:44am:

You all have me thinking, seriously, that is why I brought this up.

LG: In my core, I agree with your assessment. But, the question for me is what I think public policy should be. Furthermore, I don't dislike gays. I don't know you, but I'm betting if all women had your personality + intellect there would be no homosexuals

Conservative Heros: I am decided that I do not believe gay adoption is ideal, but to me the issue of marriage is what is in question.

Retro: I agree with your points

FB: I don't think its necessary to bash gays. The issue is not discrimination, of course homosexuals deserve equal rights in housing, employment, etc that is what our country is all about.

This is not an easy issue for me, I thought it was. Re-defining marriage is not ideal to me, but it really comes down to what public policy, not my personal or anyones personal policy, should look like.

NO Mr. ‘Product of a socialist indoctrination camp’, it IS what our country is about. It IS about the Judean/Christian principles and morals that structured our Constitution and foundation. “One Nation Under God”; and under God, faggotry is forbidden. If you or anyone else has a problem with that, then find your own country. OUR country has an entire history of men and women lives sacrificed for these principles, and the mere fact that you or anyone else would insist tolerance against those principles is treasonous.

There is NO gay bashing going on here. That’s a typical left-wing accusation.

A discussion of faggotry is fine in its proper context. A discussion promoting tolerance is not. It is tolerance of this very subject that has allowed this sickness to grow in our society.

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Re: Why I, for one, am undecided on gay marriage
Reply #19 - May 16^th, 2012, 10:05am

This is how I feel about gay marriage

First lets remember that the US did not invent marriage

marriage has historically been a pre-political institution

so why, you ask, are marriage licenses given out by the states ?
because the states effectively subsidize marriage through tax breaks and other privileges

people see marriage as a cornerstone for the propagation of society and thus encourage it as such

because of the privileges (not rights!) afforded a couple in a marriage states are justified in regulating strictly the requirements of a state-approved marriage

for example not only is a couple of the same sex's partnership not recognized as marriage in some states but in just about every state close relatives are not recognized as suitable partners in marriage. those with high contagious stds (like syphilis) even are restricted in some places

the fundamental problem with gay marriage is whether we as a people see gay relationships worthy of subsidization and therefore a healthy aspect of our society

this also begs the question why many of you oppose gay marriage but approve civil unions which are in principle the same thing

now i myself am a christian and believe in preserving the sanctity of marriage but by being in favor of civil unions you really destroy any secular case against gay marriage

Personally as a libertarian I feel marriage should be reserved to the churches not the state and with no privileges granted

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