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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #20 - 02/06/15 at 08:34:32
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Seriously, dude, have you ever been anywhere near a Disney park?  Those places are full of foreigners who hail from all sorts of places that have much less stringent requirements for vaccination than we do here.


I have been to Disney, and I'm aware that there are foreigners there, but as for the rest, it doesn't really jive. 

Most countries require vaccination, while we don't, so most of those foreign kids are vaccinated.   In fact, vaccination rates for Mexico and Honduras, El Salvador, and other countries where these illegal aliens are coming from have an average vaccination rate of between 88-94%, depending on the country.  In fact, some of the countries have a higher rate of vaccination than we do, because of the recent trend against vaccination.

http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/interactive_charts/immunization/mcv/atlas.html

I also don't think that many of the kids coming across illegally are going to Disney.  I can't really substantiate that, because there's no tracking on that, but that's my guess.

Best guess that people have so far is that this was an individual from somewhere other than the western hemisphere who then passed it on to some unvaccinated American kids.  It wouldn't take many, each unvaccinated kid has the potential to pass it to 18 or more people, according to standard epidemiology estimates.  
  
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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #21 - 02/07/15 at 04:01:20
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Just a few things to consider from the anti-vax side. In the past twenty years so many new vaccines have been added to the “Recommended schedule.”

Rotavirus – This one ended up being recalled not too long after kids started having severe side effects (and deaths) from it. This is the first vaccine that made me start to question in a more in-depth way, and not because I was aware of the side effects. My kid’s doctor recommended we wait on that vaccine, and that it wasn’t a vaccine he and his practice were willing to recommend. After that I started to look deeper, and yes I had and have concerns.

When our oldest was born the Hepatitis B vaccine was just starting to be given to newborns, literally newborns … First dose while they were still in the hospital (and consider I left 12 hrs after giving birth), this vaccine is really for a sexually transmitted disease. It made no sense to me. We’re in a single family household, I’m a stay at home mom so no daycare involved, and still we were advised it was the way to go?

Next, the chicken pox vaccine had just started up and if I remember correctly it was two doses a couple months apart, and kids could get the shot at one year old (again if my memory serves me correct on the timing), but here’s the thing … We were told after that she’d never get the chicken pox, and would have lifelong immunity. Well, a few short years later boosters were added to the schedule, and come to find out that really in order to have lifelong immunity she’ll need to have the chicken pox vaccine every ten years or so for the rest of her life.

Now, not to kick a dead horse, but the topper for me was the Gardasil vaccine for HPV (for girls only).
Which girls/women should receive HPV vaccination?
HPV vaccination is recommended with either vaccine for 11 and 12 year-old girls. It is also recommended for girls and women age 13 through 26 years of age who have not yet been vaccinated or completed the vaccine series; HPV vaccine can also be given to girls beginning at age 9 years.

Will sexually active females benefit from the vaccine?
Ideally females should get the vaccine before they become sexually active and exposed to HPV. Females who are sexually active may also benefit from vaccination, but they may get less benefit. This is because they may have already been exposed to one or more of the HPV types targeted by the vaccines. However, few sexually active young women are infected with all HPV types prevented by the vaccines, so most young women could still get protection by getting vaccinated.

This vaccine too has many side effect associated with it, and for God’s sake will someone tell me why I want my 9-12 yr old to have this vaccine?

They’ve gone too far, and as with most government regulated programs there seems to be no scaling it back. In all times there’s been two immunizations removed from the “Recommended schedule,” and those were Polio and Rotavirus. They may have even added rotavirus back in under a different name???

Here’s a little reading about this issue as well.

Sharyl Attkisson has done a ton of investigative reporting on this issue. This article I find particularly interesting, and she’s got interview audio on here as well: http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-possibility-that-vaccines-rarely-trigger-autism/

The Obama administration has granted whistleblower immunity to a federal government scientist that claimed he intentionally omitted information in a study that could have shown a race-based link between vaccines and childhood diseases including autism.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/03/obama-admin-grants-immunity-to-cdc-scientist-t...

By 2010, the U.S. Court of Claims had awarded nearly $2 billion dollars to vaccine victims for their catastrophic vaccine injuries, although two out of three applicants have been denied compensation.
http://www.nvic.org/injury-compensation.aspx
  
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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #22 - 02/07/15 at 13:36:12
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^^^Wow kiddo you have done a lot of homework for us.  Thanks for all the info., and when I get a chance I will be reading it all.
  

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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #23 - 02/07/15 at 18:11:20
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Yeah, sorry about that, guess I went a little overboard.

It's such a volatile issue, and I sincerely believe there's more involved than just people not wanting to vaccinate their kids.

Oops I said polio vaccine had been removed, it's been changed but not removed. I meant to say smallpox had been removed.
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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #24 - 02/08/15 at 07:47:22
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Now, not to kick a dead horse, but the topper for me was the Gardasil vaccine for HPV (for girls only).
Which girls/women should receive HPV vaccination?
HPV vaccination is recommended with either vaccine for 11 and 12 year-old girls. It is also recommended for girls and women age 13 through 26 years of age who have not yet been vaccinated or completed the vaccine series; HPV vaccine can also be given to girls beginning at age 9 years.

Will sexually active females benefit from the vaccine?
Ideally females should get the vaccine before they become sexually active and exposed to HPV. Females who are sexually active may also benefit from vaccination, but they may get less benefit. This is because they may have already been exposed to one or more of the HPV types targeted by the vaccines. However, few sexually active young women are infected with all HPV types prevented by the vaccines, so most young women could still get protection by getting vaccinated.

This vaccine too has many side effect associated with it, and for God’s sake will someone tell me why I want my 9-12 yr old to have this vaccine?


I had to change dr's over this vaccine, the women dr just walked in and was about to give my daughter the shot. I was aware of the vaccine because I have a FM friend who is a nurse with 4 daughters and sent me a bunch of literature and no way. This buffoon ridiculed me for being a single dad for not letting my daughter get the vaccine. We got up and left in the middle of the exam never to return.
  

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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #25 - 02/08/15 at 09:38:44
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Moaneeca,

I understand where you are coming from.  It is hard to trust the medical profession anymore because much of the information we are given is either incorrect and/or outdated within a short period of time.  What is worse is that we get so much misinformation from every direction anymore that I have become very cynical in my old age. (I’m 62) But, I want to share with you a story.

When I was teaching, I had a student whose mother made her get vaccinated for, I think, HPV.  After the first shot, the child told me she didn’t want to go for the second shot because she could feel the medicine go through her body and it, “hurt to the bone.”  She didn’t want to hurt like that again and she couldn’t see how something that hurt that much could be good for her.  I wondered at the time if the mother was really doing the right thing, but I couldn’t say that to the child.  All I could do was tell the child that her mother was doing what she thought was best for her.  That was more than 6 years ago and I can still see that child in my mind’s eye. If that was what my child experienced with the first shot, I would think twice about making her have the second shot.  

I can see vaccinating kids for chicken pox, mumps, measles, rubella and a few other things, but at some point, all these vaccinations are about making money for someone, not for the benefit of the person getting the vaccination.  But, remember,I know I’ve become cynical in my old age.
  

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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #26 - 02/08/15 at 11:02:52
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I still can't get past the irony of our NOT being able to send kids to school with peanut butter sandwiches - - - but kids coming to school with the likelihood of exposing other kids to all these formerly extinct diseases..... no problem.

Sounds about right for barry-care.
  

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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #27 - 02/08/15 at 11:04:55
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Great Point!!!!!
  

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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #28 - 02/08/15 at 11:54:32
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Bob S wrote on 02/08/15 at 11:02:52:
I still can't get past the irony of our NOT being able to send kids to school with peanut butter sandwiches - - - but kids coming to school with the likelihood of exposing other kids to all these formerly extinct diseases..... no problem.

Sounds about right for barry-care.


Well, not all or very many schools ban peanut butter, the ones that do probably have a large percentage of food allergy kids, especially peanut butter allergies.  There's about 3 million kids with food allergies on average in the school system, and that's a lot.

I realize that we all had PBJs growing up, but the other side of the coin is the allergy, which is deadly.  I did happen to have a friend at my first job whose kid had a peanut allergy, and no exaggeration, his kid almost died a couple times.  If the child has a severe peanut allergy, even getting touched by someone who ate a PBJ can be enough for a reaction. 

As for requiring vaccines, I'd be all for it. 
  
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Re: Vaccinations and the measles outbreak
Reply #29 - 02/08/15 at 12:14:18
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Bob, food for thought (hehe pun intended), none of these are extinct diseases, and believe it or not many are caught and/or transmitted by those already fully vaccinated. As an adult, if you have never had the measles it’s your/our responsibility to make sure we’re receiving boosters to protect all of society from these diseases. Which prompts me to as (both you and LibertyLady) have you had your boosters?

TrentDBU, I hear you on the “Requiring vaccines,” my issue really falls with where does it end? Who makes the decisions about which vaccines are necessary and which are not? I’ll go back to the Hepatitis B vaccine, it’s for a sexually transmitted disease, and is required to enter school. Is it right to expect parents to have their children vaccinated for that? I’m not so sure.

Honestly, my point is more to the history of government controlled agencies, and their ability to somehow grow those programs over time. Take the required (for school) diphtheria vaccine, there hasn’t been a case here in the United States in over fifty years, and still kids are receiving this vaccine why?

When we talk about giving government control over our lives in a, “Whatever they say,” or “I’m all in,” sort of way we have no idea what the future will hold for what ‘they’ determine is best for us and ours in the future. Fortunately for me one of our kids can make her own decisions, and the other isn’t too far away from being able to make those decisions too. Personally, I’m not too eager to have anyone dictate to me about all those boosters I’ll need, and can certainly understand a parent’s resistance to just take them at their word.

  
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