Conservatives Forum.com The #1 Conservatives Forum on Google.com
Conservative News and Discussion Forum. Home of the Sisterhood Of the Sacred Skillet of Justice.
The NCO Club - Military Forum - Page 2 - Page 3 - CF Forums - Conservative News Source - Newsmax TV
Constitutional Issues - Candidates Action - Economy - Talk Radio Conservative News - Conservatives Directory
Sports - Health - Poetry - Entertainment - Cook, Crafts - Activists Forum - Conservative Activist - CF Chat
Conservative's ForumConservative's Discussion ForumsConservative News Forum › Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Our Founding Fathers were brillient but...... (Read 1,225 times)
nicky43
CF Vice Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 3,621
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 09/18/15
Gender: Male
Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
03/16/17 at 08:58:10
Print Post  
The constitution as written by our founding fathers and the government they created was a fantastically brilliant feat.

We know from history that back in their days they did have squabbles between the parties.  But those were mostly limited to individual squabbles between one or two congressmen of opposing parties.  They did get nasty at times as well actually with one resulting in a dual to the death.  But for the most part they did come together on important issues to put the country first.

But in all that brilliance I think they never thought we would see the type of partisanship we see today that has mostly stopped our government dead in it's tracks from doing what it needs to do for the country.

We have a Republican party that for the most part does support issues directed at the well being of the country as a whole and does often try to work out issues with both sides of the isles (seen as their weakness).

But then we have a democrat party that has absolutely no message of well being for the country and due to it's own demise has evolved to be a party that can only get votes by giving candy (entitlements) to the bottom class of the country.  Years ago this was not so critical as that class was relatively small, the entitlements were reasonable, and the strain on the budget was manageable.  However, their open door policy, which out of fear was not restricted by the Republicans, has grown this class to over 20% of the population, the entitlements have grown beyond reason providing amenities such as cell phones and internet services, and the strain on the budget has become unbearable and unsustainable.

In spite of this, the Democrats out of need for survival must continue to expand entitlements while expanding immigration and keeping the borders open.

This prevents the Democrats from being able to cooperate with the Republicans on anything that will put the country first.  The structure of our government, as brilliant as it was, can not function in this current state.   

I think the founding fathers never foresaw anything like this when they created the government we have today but then again they would have laughed at any idea that marriage could be between two men or two woman so I don't blame them.

But something must be done.  We cannot go on like this.  We will not survive as a country if the Democrats stay their course.  Only the media can help them see the light but we know they won't for the media is them.  It's sad that many of us will die knowing the future of our country will not be very bright. I'm just happy that my parents, and the WWII greatest generation ever mostly died before this all became as obvious as it is today!
  

The only way to make it is to try!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
UCAV
CF Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 8,553
Location: Down the Bayou
Joined: 12/04/15
Gender: Male
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #1 - 03/16/17 at 09:07:12
Print Post  
Very well written, Nicky.  I think one thing needs to be mentioned about the world our forefathers lived in.  They had no concept, back then, of what kind of government systems would evolve when the masses took control from the Monarchs.  There was no socialism/communism back then, or at least it wasn't recognized or named yet.  All they knew was a Monarchy, democracy (as a pure majority rules), and a Republic.  I guess that's why they gave us the Amendment Process.
  

"When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away." #DestroytheFakeMedia!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
nicky43
CF Vice Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 3,621
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 09/18/15
Gender: Male
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #2 - 03/16/17 at 09:59:22
Print Post  
UCAV wrote on 03/16/17 at 09:07:12:
Very well written, Nicky.  I think one thing needs to be mentioned about the world our forefathers lived in.  They had no concept, back then, of what kind of government systems would evolve when the masses took control from the Monarchs.  There was no socialism/communism back then, or at least it wasn't recognized or named yet.  All they knew was a Monarchy, democracy (as a pure majority rules), and a Republic.  I guess that's why they gave us the Amendment Process.


Very good points UCAV.  I think we are about due for a few serious amendments.
  

The only way to make it is to try!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
UCAV
CF Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 8,553
Location: Down the Bayou
Joined: 12/04/15
Gender: Male
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #3 - 03/16/17 at 10:05:42
Print Post  
I'm afraid the demoncraps will block all attempts at any type of amendments.  We are going to have to fight a war with these people, just to save their worthless butt.
  

"When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away." #DestroytheFakeMedia!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
shockedcanadian
Senior CF Member
****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 484
Joined: 05/26/13
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #4 - 03/16/17 at 10:08:03
Print Post  
Over spending, entitlements and the like are going to swamp all societies.  In reality, it seems much of America is suffering from what Canada has since it's inception "nepotism" and "crony capitalism" on the backs of taxpayers.

This is something Trump wants desperate to end, his federal hiring freeze and limits on lobbying illustrate this.  America cannot become like Canada, believe me....your Founding Fathers would rise from the dead to prevent this.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
SurroundedByLiberals
Senior CF Member
****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 650
Location: Pacifica, California
Joined: 12/30/16
Gender: Male
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #5 - 03/16/17 at 12:49:09
Print Post  
       Agree that our FF's were brilliant and very Christian, yet they did not limit one's religious affiliation.  The "Colonists" became "Americans" under extreme pressure from outside the then Colonist's borders (13 colonies*). Actually, they were the first Greatest Generation for almost the same reasons, but I digress.
    Today, Americans are once again under assault from outside pressure: Islam.  Islam is a religion that was founded by a warlord bent on global expansion.  Sound familiar?  The British, way back "then," were equally intent on expanding around the globe.
     One only need to read Hitler's Mein Kampf to see what direction he plan to take Germany  . . . same goal: global expansion.
      So, today, with it all laid out in the Koran, we are once again experiencing pressure from outside forces (Muslims) with the expressed intention of taking over the Unite States of America. Read about Mujaddid in Islam and you'll better understand what BHO was all about.
Surrounded
Happy 306

*We almost got a bite out of Canada, the almost 14th State.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
UCAV
CF Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 8,553
Location: Down the Bayou
Joined: 12/04/15
Gender: Male
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #6 - 03/16/17 at 13:22:55
Print Post  
SurroundedByLiberals wrote on 03/16/17 at 12:49:09:
       Agree that our FF's were brilliant and very Christian, yet they did not limit one's religious affiliation.  The "Colonists" became "Americans" under extreme pressure from outside the then Colonist's borders (13 colonies*). Actually, they were the first Greatest Generation for almost the same reasons, but I digress.
    Today, Americans are once again under assault from outside pressure: Islam.  Islam is a religion that was founded by a warlord bent on global expansion.  Sound familiar?  The British, way back "then," were equally intent on expanding around the globe.
     One only need to read Hitler's Mein Kampf to see what direction he plan to take Germany  . . . same goal: global expansion.
      So, today, with it all laid out in the Koran, we are once again experiencing pressure from outside forces (Muslims) with the expressed intention of taking over the Unite States of America. Read about Mujaddid in Islam and you'll better understand what BHO was all about.
Surrounded
Happy 306

*We almost got a bite out of Canada, the almost 14th State.


Good thing we didn't.  Canaduh is infested with liberal frenchies, and they will be over run by muzzies.  We can let the euros collapse, but we will have to fix Canaduh, after the fact.
  

"When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away." #DestroytheFakeMedia!
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
darroll
CF Vice Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 3,960
Joined: 11/23/12
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #7 - 03/16/17 at 14:08:39
Print Post  
This country is now full of politicians that only want to get rich from the corruption.
They have proven that they don't like outsiders (President Trump).
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
oldcoot
CF Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 10,411
Location: Sacramento Delta
Joined: 08/30/09
Gender: Male
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #8 - 03/16/17 at 14:16:25
Print Post  
Good post, Nicky, but there a couple of things the FF overlooked.  #1 was, women's right to vote.  They ARE human Americans and should have the same rights as men--agreed?

nicky43 wrote on 03/16/17 at 08:58:10:
...We know from history that back in their days they did have squabbles between the parties.  But those were mostly limited to individual squabbles between one or two congressmen of opposing parties.  They did get nasty at times as well actually with one resulting in a dual to the death.  But for the most part they did come together on important issues to put the country first.

But in all that brilliance I think they never thought we would see the type of partisanship we see today that has mostly stopped our government dead in it's tracks from doing what it needs to do for the country.

We have a Republican party that for the most part does support issues directed at the well being of the country as a whole and does often try to work out issues with both sides of the isles (seen as their weakness).

But then we have a democrat party that has absolutely no message of well being for the country and due to it's own demise has evolved to be a party that can only get votes by giving candy (entitlements) to the bottom class of the country.  Years ago this was not so critical as that class was relatively small, the entitlements were reasonable, and the strain on the budget was manageable.  However, their open door policy, which out of fear was not restricted by the Republicans, has grown this class to over 20% of the population, the entitlements have grown beyond reason providing amenities such as cell phones and internet services, and the strain on the budget has become unbearable and unsustainable.

In spite of this, the Democrats out of need for survival must continue to expand entitlements while expanding immigration and keeping the borders open.

This prevents the Democrats from being able to cooperate with the Republicans on anything that will put the country first.  The structure of our government, as brilliant as it was, can not function in this current state.   

I think the founding fathers never foresaw anything like this when they created the government we have today but then again they would have laughed at any idea that marriage could be between two men or two woman so I don't blame them.

But something must be done.  We cannot go on like this.  We will not survive as a country if the Democrats stay their course.  Only the media can help them see the light but we know they won't for the media is them.  It's sad that many of us will die knowing the future of our country will not be very bright. I'm just happy that my parents, and the WWII greatest generation ever mostly died before this all became as obvious as it is today!

Where to start?  What you've posed is the overall problem the country faces today.
I, myself, was a democrat from voting age until I realized the democrats had been taken over by the communists. 
We have to realize the communist party, at one time, became a force against democracy in our own country until they became such a threat, we were forced to outlaw the party.    Here's a brief explanation.  Unfortunately, through various court cases the laws have either been overturned, or ignored.

That party, realizing the country was pretty much against communism, "modified" it's stance; called themselves the "Socialists and began taking action to achieve the communist goal of taking over a political party.  The democrat party became the sheep used to cover the wolf.  It exists to this day.
So, you see, there are many good democrats today who, like myself, have either migrated to the pub party, of simply don't vote.
What that means is, we need to find a way to outlaw far left thinking, which is anathema to our style of government.
  

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."Winston Churchill
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RedDirt
CF Vice Presidents Club
*****
Offline

Conservative's Forum

Posts: 1,767
Joined: 06/18/15
Gender: Male
Re: Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......
Reply #9 - 03/16/17 at 14:19:01
Print Post  
nicky43 wrote on 03/16/17 at 08:58:10:
The constitution as written by our founding fathers and the government they created was a fantastically brilliant feat.

We know from history that back in their days they did have squabbles between the parties.  But those were mostly limited to individual squabbles between one or two congressmen of opposing parties.  They did get nasty at times as well actually with one resulting in a dual to the death.  But for the most part they did come together on important issues to put the country first.

But in all that brilliance I think they never thought we would see the type of partisanship we see today that has mostly stopped our government dead in it's tracks from doing what it needs to do for the country.

We have a Republican party that for the most part does support issues directed at the well being of the country as a whole and does often try to work out issues with both sides of the isles (seen as their weakness).

But then we have a democrat party that has absolutely no message of well being for the country and due to it's own demise has evolved to be a party that can only get votes by giving candy (entitlements) to the bottom class of the country.  Years ago this was not so critical as that class was relatively small, the entitlements were reasonable, and the strain on the budget was manageable.  However, their open door policy, which out of fear was not restricted by the Republicans, has grown this class to over 20% of the population, the entitlements have grown beyond reason providing amenities such as cell phones and internet services, and the strain on the budget has become unbearable and unsustainable.

In spite of this, the Democrats out of need for survival must continue to expand entitlements while expanding immigration and keeping the borders open.

This prevents the Democrats from being able to cooperate with the Republicans on anything that will put the country first.  The structure of our government, as brilliant as it was, can not function in this current state.   

I think the founding fathers never foresaw anything like this when they created the government we have today but then again they would have laughed at any idea that marriage could be between two men or two woman so I don't blame them.

But something must be done.  We cannot go on like this.  We will not survive as a country if the Democrats stay their course.  Only the media can help them see the light but we know they won't for the media is them.  It's sad that many of us will die knowing the future of our country will not be very bright. I'm just happy that my parents, and the WWII greatest generation ever mostly died before this all became as obvious as it is today!


Good job, Nicky43. Keep working it.

One more thing: we have been told repeatedly that if America should fall, it will have come from within.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3 
Send TopicPrint
 
Conservative's ForumConservative's Discussion ForumsConservative News Forum › Our Founding Fathers were brillient but......


ConservativesForum.com
CF Forums
The NCO Club - Military Forum - Constitutional Issues - Political Polls - Candidates Action - Economy
Conservative News Sources Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin forums
Political Activism, Strategy, Blogs - Conservative Sites - Games - Sports - Health - Poetry - Cooking - Library
Gun Rights - Conspiracy Theories - Page 2 - Page 3 - Page 4 - Page 5


Conservatives Directory
conservative sites:
Daily Caller
Newsmax
Drudge Report
Sean Hannity Show
Rush Limbaugh
The American Thinker
Breitbart News
FrontPage Magazine
Right Bias
Rasmussen Reports
David Limbaugh
American Conservative Union
Accuracy in Media
News Busters
Newt Gingrich
Chicks on the Right
Mark Levin Show
Tea Party Patriots
Phyllis Schlafly Report
Conservative News
TruthUSA
Michelle Malkin
Right Wing News
Accuracy in Academia
Hotair
Powerline Blog
Conservative News Source
Conservative Activist

Conservative Blogs
Proudvet's Blog
Opinion Editorials
Political Polls
Twitter CF
Conservatives Directory Add Your Site
Conservative Blog Advertising
Forum Rules, User Agreement and Privacy Policy
Registering Information and Forum Rules