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Reply #10 - 03/16/17 at 14:27:42
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RedDirt wrote on 03/16/17 at 14:19:01:
Good job, Nicky43. Keep working it.

One more thing: we have been told repeatedly that if America should fall, it will have come from within.

That's right, RD!  And it's why the socialists have disguised themselves--to try to fool the dummies--of which, there are plenty!

I believe this country, without communism/socialism, would still be what it was before the 1st WW--only modernized.
  

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Reply #11 - 03/16/17 at 15:19:42
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UCAV wrote on 03/16/17 at 09:07:12:
Very well written, Nicky.  I think one thing needs to be mentioned about the world our forefathers lived in.  They had no concept, back then, of what kind of government systems would evolve when the masses took control from the Monarchs.  There was no socialism/communism back then, or at least it wasn't recognized or named yet.  All they knew was a Monarchy, democracy (as a pure majority rules), and a Republic.  I guess that's why they gave us the Amendment Process.

I agree; both about the original post being well conceived and well writen and with your additional point.

Our forefathers never envisioned, the so called fourth estate becoming as powerful as they have, either.  The media of their day consisted of newspapers and pamphlets and speeches in the public square.  That was pretty much it.  Our forefathers knew from their experience with King George that this "media" had to be protected, for the sake of preserving our independence.  They never envisioned the media of today and the sway these elected, self appointed propagandists would have our lawfully elected representatives and the public, in general.

  
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Reply #12 - 03/16/17 at 15:35:24
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Re: Oldcoot: "Good post, Nicky, but there a couple of things the FF overlooked.  #1 was, women's right to vote.  They ARE human Americans and should have the same rights as men--agreed?"

      Unfortunately, this is liberal speak.  They WERE human colonists and did not have the same rights as men--period. That's how it was in the 1770's, trying to paint it differently in 2017 is pure goobly-goop. 
       Liberals love, thrive on, rewriting history for their political gains.  Liberals bond with each other by agreeing with each other and it's almost always at the expense of conservatives and people who just don't get it. Liberals want to feel good about what they say and care very little if its correct, accurate, or proper (Ebonics).
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Reply #13 - 03/16/17 at 15:38:36
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We're witnessing the greatest political awakening in our history and the masters of the Left are going absolutely insane trying to hide it. I say let them reveal themselves, let them divide the party. I absolutely have to conclude that more and more "normal" people who identify as Democrats are becoming aware that the Democrat Party does not represent them at all.
  

Why aren't we investigating the President and staff that held office while the supposed Russian interference occurred?
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Reply #14 - 03/16/17 at 16:30:27
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NotDave wrote on 03/16/17 at 15:38:36:
We're witnessing the greatest political awakening in our history and the masters of the Left are going absolutely insane trying to hide it. I say let them reveal themselves, let them divide the party. I absolutely have to conclude that more and more "normal" people who identify as Democrats are becoming aware that the Democrat Party does not represent them at all.

     Affirmative!  I live in Liberal Land and can tell you that most live conservatively.  Now they're finding out that Democrat leaders are radical leftist, with a socialist agenda.   
     True this is not new to conservatives.  But!, the average voter around here (California coast) simply do not know what else to do.  They don't see anything new, same old diatribes day in and day out.  Even if they wanted to vote conservative, they don't understand what conservatism means. 
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Reply #15 - 03/16/17 at 17:02:39
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Would any here be willing to toy with the idea of tweaking the first ammendment a bit to limit freedom of press as well as limit freedom of religion to Christianity/Judaism based religions?
  
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Reply #16 - 03/16/17 at 17:05:22
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Ms. Daisy wrote on 03/16/17 at 17:02:39:
Would any here be willing to toy with the idea of tweaking the first ammendment a bit to limit freedom of press as well as limit freedom of religion to Christianity/Judaism based religions?


Yes!  It's the 21st century and things need repair!
  

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Reply #17 - 03/16/17 at 17:28:16
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nicky43 wrote on 03/16/17 at 08:58:10:
The constitution as written by our founding fathers and the government they created was a fantastically brilliant feat.

We know from history that back in their days they did have squabbles between the parties.  But those were mostly limited to individual squabbles between one or two congressmen of opposing parties.  They did get nasty at times as well actually with one resulting in a dual to the death.  But for the most part they did come together on important issues to put the country first.

But in all that brilliance I think they never thought we would see the type of partisanship we see today that has mostly stopped our government dead in it's tracks from doing what it needs to do for the country.

We have a Republican party that for the most part does support issues directed at the well being of the country as a whole and does often try to work out issues with both sides of the isles (seen as their weakness).

But then we have a democrat party that has absolutely no message of well being for the country and due to it's own demise has evolved to be a party that can only get votes by giving candy (entitlements) to the bottom class of the country.  Years ago this was not so critical as that class was relatively small, the entitlements were reasonable, and the strain on the budget was manageable.  However, their open door policy, which out of fear was not restricted by the Republicans, has grown this class to over 20% of the population, the entitlements have grown beyond reason providing amenities such as cell phones and internet services, and the strain on the budget has become unbearable and unsustainable.

In spite of this, the Democrats out of need for survival must continue to expand entitlements while expanding immigration and keeping the borders open.

This prevents the Democrats from being able to cooperate with the Republicans on anything that will put the country first.  The structure of our government, as brilliant as it was, can not function in this current state.   

I think the founding fathers never foresaw anything like this when they created the government we have today but then again they would have laughed at any idea that marriage could be between two men or two woman so I don't blame them.

But something must be done.  We cannot go on like this.  We will not survive as a country if the Democrats stay their course.  Only the media can help them see the light but we know they won't for the media is them.  It's sad that many of us will die knowing the future of our country will not be very bright. I'm just happy that my parents, and the WWII greatest generation ever mostly died before this all became as obvious as it is today!


The brilliance in the Founders design of our Democratic Republic is essentially rested on one simple Judeo/Christian principle -  man is a flawed individual. Hence the need for checks/balances.

As for "partisanship", George Washington saw enough of it to issue a stern warning about 'party loyalty' in his farewell address. How prophetic his words have become.

To the state of our Democratic Republic today, we can blame no one but ourselves. It took decades of complacency and ignorance to get to where we are now. As a result, we have forfeited many of the liberties given us by our Founding Fathers form of government.

I'm sure we all remember the oft quoted line by B. Franklin..." a republic, if you can keep it."

  
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Reply #18 - 03/16/17 at 17:34:39
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MissDaisy above: "Would any here be willing to toy with the idea of tweaking the first ammendment a bit to limit freedom of press as well as limit freedom of religion to Christianity/Judaism based religions?"

    There are a bunch of 28th Amendments out there.
    My 28th would give the power back to the people.  The people would elect the US Attorney General in a manner similar to the President.  Said elected AG would serve the American people.  At first, this sounds impractical, but in reality my version of this would give the AG enough legal power to make a difference.
    The US is a representative democratic republic form of government.  Completely unheard of at the time.  So, those representatives are suppose to represent us.  Obviously, they don't. So let's fix it, by putting in a person with enough power to oversee our Federal government.  Enter: an elected USAG.
 

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Reply #19 - 03/16/17 at 20:40:06
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UCAV wrote on 03/16/17 at 17:05:22:
Yes!  It's the 21st century and things need repair!

What needs "repair" is the hearts and minds of the American people.
Our Constitution and its Amendments merely serve as measure for how low our moral standards have fallen. "Free speech" would be a primary example of that.

When John Adams said that our form of government was intended only for a 'moral and religious people' (and he wasn't referring to Islam) he meant just that.
  
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