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Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
03/20/17 at 09:12:01
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Frustrated that Republicans never talk about the critical goal of personal liberties when dealing with healthcare reform. It's always about who is covered and not covered, costs, efficiencies, etc. Those are all relevant, but the first question should be about liberties.

This article captures the thinking.

https://therevolutionaryact.com/freedom-indispensable-goal/
  
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Re: Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
Reply #1 - 03/20/17 at 18:40:31
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I don't blame the young people about not wanting to buy healthcare. Probably their biggest emergency would be a tooth ache.
I couldn't afford to pay for insurance when I was starting out. My car insurance was about $80.00 per year for public liability. This only paid for your damages to others and paid nothing to me or my passengers. (PL&PD)
Later when I moved out of minimum wage (apprentice) I was able to buy good insurance. Then  my company bought our health insurance to attract good employees.
I really can’t see how the young people can afford to buy health insurance. The government can not afford to pay for their insurance either.
  
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Re: Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
Reply #2 - 03/20/17 at 20:13:17
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Health care needs the young to pay for seniors.  After all, THEY will be seniors one day and they just may appreciate the lower premiums!

Also, the young should have a choice:  Join, pay the premiums and enjoy health care when YOU are a senior.
Or:  Refuse to join, don't pay the premiums.  Get no Senior care when you get older!

That way, it is not a mandate, but IS to the benefit of the young to join! 
(There's no way you can let the young off the hook for HC.  Without them, there IS no health care--that anyone can afford!)
  

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Re: Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
Reply #3 - 03/20/17 at 20:28:04
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Still sounds like government coercion. What is needed is a wide-open marketplace of competition to drive down costs, maybe get rid of medicaid and medicare and provide insurance vouchers. Something dramatic because it is the level of government interference that is a big part of the ridiculous costs right now.
  
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Re: Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
Reply #4 - 03/20/17 at 21:12:16
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It is foolish not to have health insurance at ANY age.  Maybe they just want catastrophic coverage, but you need it.  How can anyone predict what tomorrow may bring?  As a nurse, I have taken care of MANY young people.  You can't just run in and buy it when something happens!

In all forms of insurance, the many take care of the few.  That is how it works.  Most people don't have auto accidents, but their premiums take care of those who do.

You can't just get rid of Medicare, as people have paid into it.  Medicaid is for the poorest people, and society has decided to take care of them.

Perhaps there should be groups formed, like when companies buy health care for their employees.  The dirty little secret about preexisting conditions is that all of us will have one if we live long enough.

My wish is that they would take the issues one by one and take their time to get it the best possible.  Not just make it fast.

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Re: Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
Reply #5 - 03/20/17 at 21:14:27
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oldcoot wrote on 03/20/17 at 20:13:17:
Health care needs the young to pay for seniors.  After all, THEY will be seniors one day and they just may appreciate the lower premiums!

Also, the young should have a choice:  Join, pay the premiums and enjoy health care when YOU are a senior.
Or:  Refuse to join, don't pay the premiums.  Get no Senior care when you get older!

That way, it is not a mandate, but IS to the benefit of the young to join! 
(There's no way you can let the young off the hook for HC.  Without them, there IS no health care--that anyone can afford!)


Call On Me, Call On Me (as he waves his hand in the back of the room).  If you give the young a choice of pay now or get nothing when you get old, the choice is easy.  They don't pay now and go on Medicaid when they get old.  The People still pay for them.  == We have Medicare for those over 65.  It is a cheap insurance that does the job.  Speaking of "Job", they have to qualify for Social Security, which means Working, in order to get Medicare.  With today's youth, qualifying may be hard.
  
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Re: Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
Reply #6 - 03/20/17 at 22:11:35
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Not sure how Medicare is cheap. But I do know the quality of care within it is worse because fewer than half of doctors take it now. Actually, there are studies showing people on Medicare are significantly less healthy than people the same age who are not. May be other factors involved, but it's not cheap and apparently doesn't get the job done very well.
  
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Re: Where is debate about FREEDOMS in healthcare reform?
Reply #7 - 03/21/17 at 14:09:48
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RPTPatriot wrote on 03/20/17 at 22:11:35:
Not sure how Medicare is cheap. But I do know the quality of care within it is worse because fewer than half of doctors take it now. Actually, there are studies showing people on Medicare are significantly less healthy than people the same age who are not. May be other factors involved, but it's not cheap and apparently doesn't get the job done very well.

You will have to get a supplemental plan for it to work  (Medicare)
  
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