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Reply #10 - 04/15/17 at 12:34:03
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I' think juries aren't worth tinkers _____ anymore. Ones peers
went out a long time ago. Judge worth his salt can rule and save
time.  How many jurors know the defendant to make a sound
and honest vote?

Been called a few times, once questioned, others cancelled.
Asked if knew attorney, they had pulled me away from my
work with an attorney. DISMISSED.  It was better to get
back to work than sit there for how long with only God
knows who.
  
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Reply #11 - 04/15/17 at 12:42:20
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UCAV wrote on 04/15/17 at 12:17:44:
In my opinion, dumbed down juries are easier for a slick talking attorney to sway.  That's why the defense will reject people that have more education, gun owners, conservatives, etc.  If slick talk with slow minds can change the outcome, then justice isn't blind.


Perhaps citizens who're to serve for jury duty and/or vote should be required to pass a basic civics test every so often?
Oops! What was I thinking. That would be cruel and unusual punishment!
  
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Reply #12 - 04/15/17 at 14:52:51
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It's always seemed to me that one of the requirements for jurors should be, -a high school graduate.
When you deliberately seat  a juror who barely finished the 3rd grade, you may sway him easily, but you're not performing as you should do.

Justice is only as good as the judges and attorneys in the court room.
--or have they ALL forgotten ethics?
  

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Reply #13 - 04/15/17 at 15:33:07
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oldcoot wrote on 04/15/17 at 14:52:51:
Justice is only as good as the judges and attorneys in the court room.--or have they ALL forgotten ethics?


Judges are completely brainwashed on this subject. It has become the "standard" to always defer to juries. There is a method called Judgment Not Withstanding the Verdict where the Judge can take it away from them... but no Judge will do this because the Juries decision is sacrosanct.  That is disgusting to me.

Just another example of liberals getting in control of these professions and warping them.
  
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Reply #14 - 04/15/17 at 15:46:35
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There aren't jury consultants for nothing.  They have made both an art and a science out of choosing juries.  OJ and Casey Anthony have proven some juries just aren't very smart.  Or they are swayed by things not a part of the trial.

You might do just as well to take the first 15 people on the list.  As long as they are proficient in the English language, it might be as fair as any other system in the long run.

As to Hernandez, he is still serving a life sentence, so perhaps the jurors gave "reasonable doubt" to witnesses or whatever.  He's a dangerous guy, but he will remain behind bars.  Kind of an abuse of time and money to try someone who's already serving a life sentence.

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Reply #15 - 04/15/17 at 16:57:58
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Interesting that Hernandez had the same lawyer as Casey Anthony.

I think the strategy they are pursuing is to make sure he didn't get convicted for this one and the attack the first conviction on appeal... then they can get him out of jail.  They only thing is that I think that was a much stronger case.
  
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Reply #16 - 04/15/17 at 19:40:25
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Drogon wrote on 04/15/17 at 16:57:58:
Interesting that Hernandez had the same lawyer as Casey Anthony.

I think the strategy they are pursuing is to make sure he didn't get convicted for this one and the attack the first conviction on appeal... then they can get him out of jail.  They only thing is that I think that was a much stronger case.


Interesting take.  I admit I didn't follow it.

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Reply #17 - 04/15/17 at 21:17:52
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DEW wrote on 04/15/17 at 12:34:03:
I' think juries aren't worth tinkers _____ anymore. Ones peers
went out a long time ago. Judge worth his salt can rule and save
time.  How many jurors know the defendant to make a sound
and honest vote?

Been called a few times, once questioned, others cancelled.
Asked if knew attorney, they had pulled me away from my
work with an attorney. DISMISSED.  It was better to get
back to work than sit there for how long with only God
knows who.

I have served on juries. The thing people seem to forget is the general public never sees everything that is presented during a trial, or even a significant portion. The big thing that results in acquittal is the basic fact that sometimes the prosecution simply does not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. And when there remains REASONABLE doubt (not just ANY doubt) then an honest jury must acquit.

Meanwhile, J.Q. Public is only exposed to the information the media WANTS them exposed to. If the media wants a conviction, they will play up all the damning evidence and downplay or outright ignore contrary evidence. And the exact opposite goes for those accused whom the media wants acquitted.

In neither case does the general public have even 1/100th the information to have a valid opinion compared to the jury. As such, when a jury comes back with an acquittal on a major case like murder, I can only assume that somehow, someway, the prosecution's presentation had enough holes in it to provide reasonable doubt. (which often occurs when vital evidence is tossed on a technicality.)
  
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Reply #18 - 04/15/17 at 21:31:22
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A quick reflect on one of my jury duty trips. == It was a drug case where the seller was paying homeless people to get prescription drugs and give them back to the seller.  ==  The prosecutor was questioning a policeman who was on the bust.  The prosecutor asks the policeman, "Do you see the man you arrested in this court room?"  The policeman says "Yes" and points at the defense lawyer.  The prosecutor started stuttering and trying to get the word "Judge" out.   Smiley  It took a few minutes to get things ironed out.
  
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Reply #19 - 04/15/17 at 22:03:28
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ZeWazir wrote on 04/15/17 at 21:17:52:
I have served on juries. The thing people seem to forget is the general public never sees everything that is presented during a trial, or even a significant portion. The big thing that results in acquittal is the basic fact that sometimes the prosecution simply does not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. And when there remains REASONABLE doubt (not just ANY doubt) then an honest jury must acquit.

Meanwhile, J.Q. Public is only exposed to the information the media WANTS them exposed to. If the media wants a conviction, they will play up all the damning evidence and downplay or outright ignore contrary evidence. And the exact opposite goes for those accused whom the media wants acquitted.

In neither case does the general public have even 1/100th the information to have a valid opinion compared to the jury. As such, when a jury comes back with an acquittal on a major case like murder, I can only assume that somehow, someway, the prosecution's presentation had enough holes in it to provide reasonable doubt. (which often occurs when vital evidence is tossed on a technicality.)


Not always so!

The OJ and the Casey Anthony trial were shown in their entirety.  As a matter of fact, the public knew MORE than the jury should have.  To me, there was no REASONABLE DOUBT these people were GUILTY of murder.  There was no doubt in my mind at all.

In the case of Casey Anthony, that stupid jury said that the medical examiner said she couldn't determine how the 2 year old died - but ruled it a homicide.  Why?  The child's decomposed body was left in swamp shortly away from the defendant's house, with DUCT TAPE on her face.  Her whole body wasn't even there, just bones and hair.  Did a 2 year old put herself in a swamp and put duct tape on her face?  She was in the custody of Casey Anthony, her so-called mother.  Anthony LIED about every detail of her life. 

OJ had more evidence against him than 100 other guily murder defendants have had.  Public pressure resulted in that acquittal.

So, not every jury does get it right.

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