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Concealed Carry
04/16/17 at 14:33:16
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The NRA argument that, if licenses for concealed carry were given to more people, the senseless shootings in public places might be reduced.  It sure would be worth a try, given the year 2016 saw some 136 shootings, nationwide. 
It just can't get much worse, can it?

In the U.S. population of 320,000+, it's estimated one person in 20 possesses a CC license.  That would mean 16,000 people often carry concealed weapons--and they have proven to be responsible citizens in so doing.
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One in 20 is just not enough.  With all of the veterans fully trained with weapons, it's foolish for the feds to ignore them.  Trump should see that CC licenses are automatically issued to every Honorably discharged Vet to override state bans!  It would then be up to the Vet, as to whether or not he used the license. It would almost guarantee there would be fewer shootings in public places.

Concealed Carry (CC) has become the liberal’s nightmare.  They, of course, want all guns not only banned, but destroyed!
I’ve always thought that if they got their way, the next democrat president would immediately declare himself, “pres-for-life” and we could do crap-all about it!
Luckily for us, that hasn’t happened—as yet.
Mass Shootings—charts/graphs
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Re: Concealed Carry
Reply #1 - 04/16/17 at 15:49:54
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oldcoot wrote on 04/16/17 at 14:33:16:
The NRA argument that, if licenses for concealed carry were given to more people, the senseless shootings in public places might be reduced.  It sure would be worth a try, given the year 2016 saw some 136 shootings, nationwide. 
It just can't get much worse, can it?


100% agree. The NRA has fought this battle for us as long as I have been around. I am proud to support them.
There is one issue NRA has hammered for years. That is the kind of trouble people get into defending themselves. In some jurisdictions, the assailant literally must have the victim cornered and back most room with his weapon raised and ready to use before the home owner can take action.
Everyone knows what is going on. As soon as an incident takes place, greedy lawyers and judges, corrupt law enforcement, the ACLU, and the rest of the Democratic Communists swing into action. After all, if the shooter was a typical Democrat, on welfare and in public housing, there wouldn't be much to go after. But a home owner with some equity, that's another story. The bad guys know all about it. Not to mention the power elite in Washington, who just love the idea they hold life and death power over the peasants.
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Reply #2 - 04/16/17 at 16:06:28
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My husband and daughter have recently obtained FOID cards.  Here in Illinois, they make it really hard!

My husband is an honorably discharged veteran of the Air Force Air National Guard of 12 years.  He already knows guns and how to shoot.  People like that would be a real asset, as long as they are solid citizens. 

We have a gun range and store opened recently really close to home.  They are going to go shoot and hopefully my daughter learn how.  She is vulnerable with her weakness in her legs.  We have crime here we NEVER had most of the time we've lived here.  Usual suspects.

Concealed carry still has its limitations here.  A woman has a purse, where can men carry and be ready?  Pardon me that I have no knowledge on this subject.  Illinois DISCOURAGES its citizens from it.  We just had a local police officer move in close, and I am more than pleased with it.  We had one that parked his police car on the driveway, and I loved it.

Did I hear you had to have a gun in the glove compartment and not on the seat next to you?

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Reply #3 - 04/16/17 at 17:15:21
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Lily003 wrote on 04/16/17 at 16:06:28:
My husband and daughter have recently obtained FOID cards.  Here in Illinois, they make it really hard!

My husband is an honorably discharged veteran of the Air Force Air National Guard of 12 years.  He already knows guns and how to shoot.  People like that would be a real asset, as long as they are solid citizens. 

We have a gun range and store opened recently really close to home.  They are going to go shoot and hopefully my daughter learn how.  She is vulnerable with her weakness in her legs.  We have crime here we NEVER had most of the time we've lived here.  Usual suspects.

Concealed carry still has its limitations here.  A woman has a purse, where can men carry and be ready?  Pardon me that I have no knowledge on this subject.  Illinois DISCOURAGES its citizens from it.  We just had a local police officer move in close, and I am more than pleased with it.  We had one that parked his police car on the driveway, and I loved it.

Did I hear you had to have a gun in the glove compartment and not on the seat next to you?

Lily003   Undecided


....tell your husband a fanny pac works just fine for mid size handguns.  I even wear mine to the beach.  Wink
  

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Re: Concealed Carry
Reply #4 - 04/16/17 at 20:58:08
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Kalitoonia's laws on firearms are so stringent, many people no longer apply for licenses, because they're already sure they won't receive one.

Here, license applications have non-refundable fees that makes applications "iffy" enough so that many people have given up trying to get licenses.  If you pay the fee up front, as required, than are refused, the fee is forfeited.

Ammunition has come under CA law, also.  You must undergo a background check simply to buy ammo for your weapon.

The NRA has a real problem here, simply because there are SO MANY laws covering weapons, it's nearly impossible to keep up.  The State legislature is ALWAYS working on new gun control laws, with the ultimate aim being the banning of all weapons!

  

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Reply #5 - 04/16/17 at 20:59:24
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Over the years I've read many articles (that give statistics) that right to carry states have less crime than states that prohibit right to carry.

The stories are few and far between about people in right to carry states that misuse and/or commit crimes with guns.

On the other hand, I read (and see on TV news) lots of cases of legally armed citizens shooting criminals.

Logic dictates that the more legally armed law abiding citizens that carry guns that there would be less crime, as the criminal would have to be more cautious as to who he would choose to attack -- for fear that person might be armed and be able to shoot to kill.

In Florida (where I live) only law abiding (no felony record) and gun safety qualified persons can obtain concealed carry weapons permit. Such CCW applicants must be finger printed and back ground checked by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI. Surely, such folks with the afore screening couldn't realistically be considered a danger or threat to the general public.

Both my wife and I have Florida CCW permits. I'm on my third permit; my wife is on her second permit.

I can tell you, oldcoot, I feel much more secure in public carrying my pistol or revolver (I have many hand guns).

I hope one day soon (as stated in the article you posted) the laws in California will change and you can get a permit to carry.
  
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Reply #6 - 04/17/17 at 05:19:03
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A permit to carry is a violation of the 2nd amendment.  My state, Louisiana, is about to abolish permits and go with Constitutional Carry.  We already have open carry, but not many do it.
  

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Reply #7 - 04/17/17 at 06:15:37
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I have a CHP and carry about 80% of the time including Sundays. Unfortunately many places I go you can't carry legally. We can now even bring our handguns on school grounds which makes it easier to pick up the youngens.

Open carry is legal but the problem isn't the Law but OUT of STATE Yanks. During hunting season I open carry because it's easier and we usually stop at a store before hitting the woods. I have had Yanks from other states(NJ) call the law yelling man with a gun man with a gun... LOL! Unfortunately our hunting season is the same time the Yanks come down here or up here to look at the pretty fall colors and they wreak havoc.
  

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Reply #8 - 04/17/17 at 10:05:15
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oldcoot wrote on 04/16/17 at 14:33:16:
The NRA argument that, if licenses for concealed carry were given to more people, the senseless shootings in public places might be reduced.  It sure would be worth a try, given the year 2016 saw some 136 shootings, nationwide. 
It just can't get much worse, can it?

In the U.S. population of 320,000+, it's estimated one person in 20 possesses a CC license.  That would mean 16,000 people often carry concealed weapons--and they have proven to be responsible citizens in so doing.
Law Abiding Citizens

One in 20 is just not enough.  With all of the veterans fully trained with weapons, it's foolish for the feds to ignore them.  Trump should see that CC licenses are automatically issued to every Honorably discharged Vet to override state bans!  It would then be up to the Vet, as to whether or not he used the license. It would almost guarantee there would be fewer shootings in public places.

Concealed Carry (CC) has become the liberal’s nightmare.  They, of course, want all guns not only banned, but destroyed!
I’ve always thought that if they got their way, the next democrat president would immediately declare himself, “pres-for-life” and we could do crap-all about it!
Luckily for us, that hasn’t happened—as yet.
Mass Shootings—charts/graphs
Citizen Rescues Cop Pinned down by Nut Job


The NRA stance is base on something that the liberals hate to apply in any argument.  Common Sense.  Case in point, Kennesaw, GA.  In 1982, the city passed a law mandating (with some exceptions) gun possession by every household.  This included concealed carry.  The crime rate since then have fallen well below the state and national levels.  Common Sense says that if you are going to break into a home, or rob someone at gun point, then you do not choose an area where everyone is armed. 

The liberal concept uses slide rule logic.  If no one can legally own a firearm, then the only ones that own one are the criminals.  If their victims are not able to shoot back, then they might be less likely to shoot their victims.  That will lower the number of gun violence victims.  But it does nothing but escalate the crime rate. 

The Liberal Disorder,  says that it is far better to create living victims then dead criminals. 
  

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Re: Concealed Carry
Reply #9 - 04/17/17 at 10:37:13
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Book: More Guns, Less Crime by John R. Lott, Jr.

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More Guns, Less Crime is a book by John Lott that says violent crime rates go down when states pass "shall issue" concealed carry laws. He presents the results of his statistical analysis of crime data for every county in the United States during 29 years from 1977 to 2005. Each edition of the book was refereed by the University of Chicago Press. The book examines city, county and state level data from the entire United States and measures the impact of 13 different types of gun control laws on crime rates.
  

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