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The US, Syria and Russian mess that Obama created!!!!
06/19/17 at 12:46:09
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On Sunday, the US Shot down a Syrian SU-22 that was attacking US backed Coalition forces that were involved in fighting ISIS in Syria.  In response Russia has vowed to target US planes. 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/19/us-shoot-down-syrian-jet-prompts-russian...

I said long ago that the US involvement is Syria was stupid, and would lead to a US/Russia war.  Now, we are just one incident away. 

You can't fight a war by attacking both sides, but that is precisely what Obama setup.  He got us involved by vowing to dethrone Assad.  When the Russians got involved in support of Assad, he claimed that US forces would only support moderate rebel groups that would target ISIS.  So, he is supporting Rebel forces that are targeting Assad's forces as long as they attack ISIS forces.  Then  when Assad's troops attack these US backed Rebels, the US attacks Assad forces.  Then expect that Syria and Russia will not do anything. 

There are only a couple logical things that the US can do at this point:

1.  The most logical is to pull out of the Middle East except for two missions.  One is supporting our allies.  Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Qatar.  The second is to keep Iran for acquiring a nuclear weapon. 

2. If ending ISIS is a priority for the US, then there are only two ways to go about it.  One is to pull out of Syria, and concentrate all efforts to ending ISIS in Iraq.  After the Syrian civil war ends, then work with Syrian forces to rid the remains of ISIS in Syria.  The second way is to enter into a Syrian/Russian/US coalition and attack ISIS forces.  This would require the US to withdrawal support for Coalition forces.  The US would not target them, but would not provide aide if they are attacked by Syrian or Russian forces.  The US military (yes, including ground forces) would concentrate it's efforts on wiping out ISIS forces. 

The whole ideology of fighting proxy wars has never worked, and only drags out the conflicts.  Further, no matter how distasteful it might seem, Assad will be staying in power in Syria.  We might as well get used to the fact.
  

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Despite being a bad man, Assad needs to stay.  These rebel groups we are supporting are just different Jihadis.

But even though we cannot absolve Obama, ISIS came to be directly from our invasion of Iraq in 2003.  You cannot deny that truthfully, you cannot spin it.  The Baath Party are Sunnis.  We disenfranchised them after the invasion and they became the insurgency, then they became ISIS.
  
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Reply #2 - 06/19/17 at 19:01:26
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Didn't I just read there were 4,000 troops going to Afghanistan?

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Reply #3 - 06/20/17 at 19:19:05
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killermccoy wrote on 06/19/17 at 17:41:34:
Despite being a bad man, Assad needs to stay.  These rebel groups we are supporting are just different Jihadis.

But even though we cannot absolve Obama, ISIS came to be directly from our invasion of Iraq in 2003.  You cannot deny that truthfully, you cannot spin it.  The Baath Party are Sunnis.  We disenfranchised them after the invasion and they became the insurgency, then they became ISIS.



A lot of misinformation for such a short post.

Most liberals that call Bashar Hafez al-Assad a "bad man" cites deeds of his father as examples.  They claim that he invaded Israel after they declared independence.  But that was his father.  They claim that he invaded Lebanon, but again that was his father.  As a matter of fact, the current Assad pulled the Syrian troops out of Lebanon five years after taking office.  Of course he left the Palestinian forces there.  (Who would want those animals back home?)  As a matter of fact, the only things that people can point to is that he tortured 10 Europeans that had gone to Syria to fight with the rebels.  (Guess what?  That is SOP for that part of the world.  US enemies and allies alike.)  Then there were two gas attacks, but they could have been carried out by Assad or the Rebels.  Without better data, I am not willing to label Assad anything.  But no matter what you call Assad, you can not accomplish anything by jumping into the middle of a civil war and fight both sides at once. 

As far as Iraq goes, you didn't even tell the liberal lie right.  Liberals claims that there were no Al Qaeda forces in Iraq until after the US invaded.  Since Al Qaeda-Iraq transitioned into ISIS, they blame Bush for them.  Their version is at least based on a notion of fact.  Yours isn't even close.  The liberals are right that there was no insurgency in Iraq until the US invaded.  But Obama made the mistake in pulling our troops out before they were completely wiped out.  But when our troops left, the insurgency was still answering to Al Qaeda.  The whole ISIS/ISIL concept did not even emerge until a couple of years later. 

Al Qaeda's mission has always been to push the infadels out of the Middle-East and Northern Africa.  They believe that this was holy land.  As a matter of fact, Bin Laden devised Al Qaeda in response to Saudi Arabia requesting aide of the US to protect them after Saddam invaded Kuwait.  Bin Laden thought that infidels in the country that held Mecca was sacrilege.  Even though Bin Laden's father was a prince in the Royal Family, he was exiled from the country.  That is why he created Al-Qaeda.  The ISIS/ISIL mission is much different.  It is as much a threat to Muslim countries as well as outsiders.  ISIS stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.  It is a step towards ISIL which is the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant.  Levant is a term from the French Mandate for the region.  It includes Cyprus, Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Turkey.  That fact that there are ISIL fighters in 18 countries shows that they no only want to establish ISIL, but to expand it's borders to include all of the Middle-East and Northern-Africa.  This would be an Islamic State under Sunni Rule, and would wipe out all other Muslim doctrines including Shiite and Druze. You can also bet that if they reach their goal, they will expand to the west.   
  

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