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Reply #11 - 08/10/17 at 13:45:48
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Drop a bunch of MOABs at night to give their population some fireworks to remember.  No need to use nukes since a MOAB will do the trick.  Kill the fat butt punk.
  
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Reply #12 - 08/10/17 at 17:35:48
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This  is the best thing I've read about it so far.  It's a long read and goes into all the problems.  The situation is even harder than I thought, and I already thought it was very hard.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/...

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“If we don’t get everything, then we have a really pissed-off adversary who possesses nuclear weapons who has just been attacked,” Walsh said. “It’s not clear even with nukes that you could get all the artillery. And if you did use nukes, is that something South Korea is going to sign up for? There’s three minutes’ flight time from just north of the DMZ to Seoul. Do you really want to be dropping nuclear weapons that close to our ally’s capital? Think of the radioactive fallout. If you don’t take out all the batteries, then you have thousands of munitions raining down on Seoul. So I don’t get how an all-out attack works.” Even if a U.S. president could get Americans to support such an attack, Walsh added, the South Koreans would likely object. “All the fighting is going to happen on Korean soil. So it seems to me the South Koreans should certainly have a say in this. I don’t see them signing off.”

But suppose, just for argument’s sake, that a preventive strike could work without any of the collateral damage I’ve been describing. Suppose that U.S. forces could be positioned secretly, and that President Moon were on board. Suppose, further, that Pyongyang’s nukes could be disabled swiftly, its artillery batteries completely silenced, its missile platforms flattened, its leadership taken out—all before a counterstrike of any consequence could be made. And suppose still further that North Korea’s enormous army could be rapidly defeated, and that friendly casualties would remain surprisingly low, and that South Korea’s economy would not be significantly hurt. And suppose yet further that China and Russia agreed to sit on the sidelines and watch their longtime ally fall. Then Kim Jong Un, with his bad haircut and his legion of note-taking, big-hat-wearing, kowtowing generals, would be gone. South Korea’s fear of invasion from the North, gone. The menace of the state’s using chemical and biological weapons, gone. The nuclear threat, gone.

Such a stunning outcome would be a mighty triumph indeed! It would be a truly awesome display of American power and know-how.

What would be left? North Korea, a country of more than 25 million people, would be adrift. Immediate humanitarian relief would be necessary to prevent starvation and disease. An interim government would have to be put in place. If Iraq was a hard country to occupy and rebuild, imagine a suddenly stateless North Korea, possibly irradiated and toxic, its economy and infrastructure in ruins. There could still be hidden stockpiles of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons scattered around the country, which would have to be found and secured before terrorists got to them. “Success,” in other words, would create the largest humanitarian crisis of modern times—Syria’s miseries would be a playground scuffle by comparison. Contemplating such a collapse in The Atlantic back in 2006, Robert D. Kaplan wrote that dealing with it “could present the world—meaning, really, the American military—with the greatest stabilization operation since the end of World War II.”

How long would it be before bands of armed fighters from Kim’s shattered army began taking charge, like Afghan warlords, in remote regions of the country? How long before they began targeting American occupation forces? Imagine China and South Korea beset by millions of desperate refugees. Would China sit still for a unified, American-allied Korea on its border? Having broken North Korea, the U.S. would own it for many, many years to come. Which would not be easy, or pretty.

The ensuing chaos and carnage and ongoing cost might just make America miss Kim Jong Un’s big-bellied strut.



  

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Reply #13 - 08/10/17 at 17:53:03
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dustymars wrote on 08/10/17 at 13:45:48:
Drop a bunch of MOABs at night to give their population some fireworks to remember.  No need to use nukes since a MOAB will do the trick.  Kill the fat butt punk.

....the problem with MOAB's is that they can only be dropped from slow flying C130's that are easily shot down.  Not sure if they can be adapted to high flying 'stealth' bombers. Undecided
  

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Reply #14 - 08/10/17 at 18:02:03
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The MOAB is too heavy for a fighter bomber.  It can be dropped from a B-1 or a B-2 and most likely the B-52.  Any cargo plane can be configured to carry it.
  

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Reply #15 - 08/10/17 at 18:11:22
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I could really care less what South Korea thinks. If they have any problems with any shrapnel they catch, President Trump can tell them we'll just take the cost of the damage off of their tab they have run up with us for protection and welfare. Americans answer to no one. Just preemptively nuke Pyongyang square on its head and deal with the politics of it later. I guarantee you Assad will change his tune with us afterward and the UN will realize we run the show and are taking our economy and our military and going home. You don't know what you got till it's gone!
  
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Reply #16 - 08/10/17 at 18:27:11
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Kill the fat butt punk.


Sounds good to me, but here are some of the problems:

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Unless it came during a scheduled public appearance (when defenses would be on high alert), an aerial attack by cruise missile or drone would depend on accurate and timely intelligence regarding his whereabouts, something that only an insider could provide. Americans have successfully hunted down and killed al-Qaeda and Islamic State leaders with the aid of drones, which can conduct long-term, detailed surveillance and provide timely precision strikes. But the use of drones for these purposes depends on complete control of airspace. They are slow-moving and electronically noisy, so they are relatively easy to shoot down—and North Korea’s air defenses are robust.

If China were sufficiently fed up with its belligerent neighbor, however, it might be capable of recruiting conspirators in Pyongyang. Money or the promise of power might be enough to turn someone in Kim’s inner circle, where his practice of having people executed is bound to have sown ill will and a desire for revenge. But the tyrant’s menace cuts both ways. It would be a terribly risky undertaking for anyone involved.

The consequences could also be disastrous: Given the reverence accorded Kim, his sudden death might trigger an automatic military response. And what guarantees are there that his replacement wouldn’t be worse?



https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/...
  

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Reply #17 - 08/10/17 at 20:54:22
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The little king had better try and shoot a bottle rocket at Guam.

At 35000 feet that place is just a small dot.
  
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Reply #18 - 08/10/17 at 23:29:18
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dumpapolitician wrote on 08/10/17 at 11:47:50:
Congress declares wars and they will never allow Trump to start one with NK. 


Congress hasn't declared war in 76 years but over 120,000 Americans have died in "combat actions in the same time span.
  
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Reply #19 - 08/11/17 at 06:17:00
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The Chinese said they are going to defend N. Korea in case of military attack. Anyway, I don't support any actions against N.Korea, but I do support end of globalization. When chinese export to the west will be stopped, they are finished. I don't know who or what is Trump waiting. The problem is those multinationals are so strong, they can bribe just anyone they want.
  

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