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If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
10/13/17 at 04:28:11
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California secessionists think their path to independence is easier than Catalonia’s

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Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
Reply #1 - 10/13/17 at 05:15:57
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Wow, not a lot of love for California! It makes me sad as I just loved being in southern California.  It SHOULD be a crown jewel of the United States.

When they allowed Mexico to become part of it, it was lost.  You can't support non producers and prosper.  You can't tax and regulate the heck out of your productive people and expect it to stay good.  They've got regulations on their regulations.

And a lot of its own people support this nonsense.  They don't think with their brains.

The comments to that article gives a good snapshot of the country's feelings.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out, and don't come to us for help when you need it - and you will.

Who will help you out when it burns, breaks apart from an earthquake, has no water, houses slide into the ocean, etc.?

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Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
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Lily003 wrote on 10/13/17 at 05:15:57:
Wow, not a lot of love for California! It makes me sad as I just loved being in southern California.  It SHOULD be a crown jewel of the United States.

When they allowed Mexico to become part of it, it was lost.  You can't support non producers and prosper.  You can't tax and regulate the heck out of your productive people and expect it to stay good.  They've got regulations on their regulations.

And a lot of its own people support this nonsense.  They don't think with their brains.

The comments to that article gives a good snapshot of the country's feelings.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out, and don't come to us for help when you need it - and you will.

Who will help you out when it burns, breaks apart from an earthquake, has no water, houses slide into the ocean, etc.?



Lily003   Huh



There are many good people in CA. They just aren't in numbers large enough  to overcome the onslaught of what votes and runs the state today.
  
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Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
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Even if Trump is able to stop the Federal Grants, it is too late for California to get with the program.  It is a lost cause and will only get worse, regardless.
  
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Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
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Get rid of the illegal aliens and put the voting districts back like they should be, and there wouldn't be another demoncrap elected in califlakey!
  

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Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
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Why do they keep voting the libs back in office if they are so upset.
  
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Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
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The bad part is those pushing to leave the United States should know it is not possible per U.S. Supreme Court precedent. How can Commi-fornia think it can leave the union?

Being part of a "perpetual union" makes it impossible for a state to leave this Country. I disagree with the Courts reasoning as what was freely entered into must also be free to leave but my opinion is not binding.


https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9926302819023946834&q=%22perpetual+...

Downes v. Bidwell, 182 US 244 - Supreme Court 1901
The Federal government was created in 1777 by the union of thirteen colonies of Great Britain in "certain articles of confederation and perpetual union," the first one of which declared that "the stile of this confederacy shall be the United States of America."

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1134912565671891096&q=%22perpetual+...
Texas v. White, 74 US 700 - Supreme Court 1869
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=5117525999793250938&q=%22perpetual+...
Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162 - Supreme Court 1875
Looking at the Constitution itself we find that it was ordained and established by "the people of the United States,"
  • and then going further back, we find that these were the people of the several States that had before dissolved the political bands which connected them with Great Britain, and assumed a separate and equal station among the powers of the earth,[†] and that had by Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, in which they took the name of "the United States of America," entered into a firm league of friendship with each other
     


    The constitution is a contract between the people and the government. A contract is enforced as it is written.

    The Constitution is a statute. Statutes are to be applied literally as they are written per Luria v United States.

    Imbrie v. Marsh, 71 A. 2d 352 - NJ: Supreme Court 1950
    This is the historical fact of the matter, although I agree with the majority that the 1776 Constitution was deemed by its framers to be "a statute, albeit an important statute, of the type of Magna Carta, but nevertheless a statute amendable by any Legislature created under it."

    JuPauk v. Board of Trustees of City University of NY, 654 F. 2d 856 - Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit
    Judge Mishler's sensible but difficult conclusion that the Constitution is a "statute"

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    Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
    Reply #7 - 10/13/17 at 15:22:24
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    ConservativeOne wrote on 10/13/17 at 08:30:33:
    There are many good people in CA. They just aren't in numbers large enough  to overcome the onslaught of what votes and runs the state today.


    I have no doubt there are good people in California.

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    Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
    Reply #8 - 10/13/17 at 16:42:44
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    Lily003 wrote on 10/13/17 at 15:22:24:
    I have no doubt there are good people in California.

    Lily003 


    We have them in CF, oldcoot just to name one.  Many reasons a person can't just pack up and leave like Duster and I did 29 years ago.  We value our Conservative CF members.  Kiss
      

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    Re: If you want an idea how the rest of the country feels about California,
    Reply #9 - 10/13/17 at 16:45:37
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    Country_hick wrote on 10/13/17 at 12:13:24:
    The bad part is those pushing to leave the United States should know it is not possible per U.S. Supreme Court precedent. How can Commi-fornia think it can leave the union?

    Being part of a "perpetual union" makes it impossible for a state to leave this Country. I disagree with the Courts reasoning as what was freely entered into must also be free to leave but my opinion is not binding.


    https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9926302819023946834&q=%22perpetual+...

    Downes v. Bidwell, 182 US 244 - Supreme Court 1901
    The Federal government was created in 1777 by the union of thirteen colonies of Great Britain in "certain articles of confederation and perpetual union," the first one of which declared that "the stile of this confederacy shall be the United States of America."

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1134912565671891096&q=%22perpetual+...
    Texas v. White, 74 US 700 - Supreme Court 1869
    The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=5117525999793250938&q=%22perpetual+...
    Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162 - Supreme Court 1875
    Looking at the Constitution itself we find that it was ordained and established by "the people of the United States,"
  • and then going further back, we find that these were the people of the several States that had before dissolved the political bands which connected them with Great Britain, and assumed a separate and equal station among the powers of the earth,[†] and that had by Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, in which they took the name of "the United States of America," entered into a firm league of friendship with each other
     


    The constitution is a contract between the people and the government. A contract is enforced as it is written.

    The Constitution is a statute. Statutes are to be applied literally as they are written per Luria v United States.

    Imbrie v. Marsh, 71 A. 2d 352 - NJ: Supreme Court 1950
    This is the historical fact of the matter, although I agree with the majority that the 1776 Constitution was deemed by its framers to be "a statute, albeit an important statute, of the type of Magna Carta, but nevertheless a statute amendable by any Legislature created under it."

    JuPauk v. Board of Trustees of City University of NY, 654 F. 2d 856 - Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit
    Judge Mishler's sensible but difficult conclusion that the Constitution is a "statute"



  • hick, just as a little side note:  If a post is too long and people don't have time to read it, chances are they won't go back later.  Just trying to be helpful.  Keep it Simple, post a link and every one can decide from there.  Wink
      

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