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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #20 - 01/01/18 at 23:59:25
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newt2008 wrote on 01/01/18 at 20:38:38:
Thank you CupCake. THAT's My point. These "children" are not raising themselves.  I am a free speech absolutist.  I do not want to grant the givermint ANY power to force ANYONE to violate their conscience.

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I could be incorrect, but I am guessing you don't have children.

As Rush calls them, "skulls full of mush."  We are talking CHILDREN here.  They are not violating their conscience mostly because they don't know it just yet.  We have to be TAUGHT what's right and wrong, and part of that goes on in school.  Most should go on at home, and I taught my daughter to RESPECT the country.  The National Anthem and standing for it are signs of that RESPECT.  I taught her to respect the rules in school.  Those issues I had a problem with, I took up with the school.  And I did, more than once take on things with them.  None of which included respect for the country.

CHILDREN don't have the same rights adults do in some things.

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #21 - 01/02/18 at 00:03:52
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oldcoot wrote on 01/01/18 at 19:09:52:
This is kind of funny!  So it's not right to teach kids to stand for the anthem?  Teach them it's OK to refuse to say the pledge of allegiance?
That it's OK to KNEEL in protest??

Once these habits are solidly in place, you'll probably discover your kid now won't listen to the teachings of your religion(s), or the disciplines of schools and other social venues, either.
Just what the commies want.  They are really gung-ho on breaking up the family and they're doing it by countering the teachings of patriotism; of church and social manners.
It's OK to fart in public--or at the dinner table--or chew with their mouths open, so we can be awed by the mushy contents of their mouths.  Who needs manners??
Children are ignorant little cavemen.  They act like cavemen unless they are firmly disciplined. 

I had 3 boys.  When we went to watch parades, they all learned to place their hands over their hearts as the flag marched by.
When I took them to an ice cream parlor, they knew their manners and did not shout, fight, or cause any kind of disturbance, because they knew daddy would whip their butts in public--which fact embarrassed them, more than injured them.

A parent's job is to teach and be an example of good manners; be a patriotic citizen who respects what a flag stands for and what the country stands for, regardless of parties and their philosophies. 
If ALL parents did this, there would BE no liberals!



I totally agree.  God gave children PARENTS and in their absence, other adults in school.

Having parents is why we get civilized.  And then we get school, religion, etc.  And it takes at least 18 years as far as the law goes.

We are not born knowing right from wrong, civil vs uncivil, etc.  Heck, we don't know how to feed ourselves.  It is a parent's job (or school, religion, etc) to develop the maturity to make decisions.  Through high school, we are not independent nor are we mature.

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #22 - 01/02/18 at 11:35:14
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newt2008 wrote on 01/01/18 at 20:38:38:
Thank you CupCake. THAT's My point. These "children" are not raising themselves.  I am a free speech absolutist.  I do not want to grant the givermint ANY power to force ANYONE to violate their conscience.

Ms. Borelli


In saying this, I will admit if my young child refused to respect my Country, and I found out, there would be hell to be paid---at home.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #23 - 01/02/18 at 11:56:36
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Here's the bottom line and I know most of you will disagree with my point:  If they don't want to than don't make them.

It is a matter of respect and I respect our country and our flag.  My son does as well.  But we have the right to Freedom of Speech and I believe that this would fall under that.  I don't like it when I feel that our country/flag is being disrespected in such a way.  But I put in 8 years in the service to protect people of their rights whether I agree with them or not.

I will continue to stand and hold my hand over my heart as I hope that my son will continue that tradition as well.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #24 - 01/02/18 at 12:53:19
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mahdo1 wrote on 01/02/18 at 11:56:36:
Here's the bottom line and I know most of you will disagree with my point:  If they don't want to than don't make them.

It is a matter of respect and I respect our country and our flag.  My son does as well.  But we have the right to Freedom of Speech and I believe that this would fall under that.  I don't like it when I feel that our country/flag is being disrespected in such a way.  But I put in 8 years in the service to protect people of their rights whether I agree with them or not.

I will continue to stand and hold my hand over my heart as I hope that my son will continue that tradition as well.


In saying this are you in favor of our players taking the knee?  IMHO they are setting an example to our youth.  If this is the case why did they ban chew?  It is however their choice.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #25 - 01/02/18 at 15:16:04
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mahdo1 wrote on 01/02/18 at 11:56:36:
Here's the bottom line and I know most of you will disagree with my point:  If they don't want to than don't make them.

It is a matter of respect and I respect our country and our flag.  My son does as well.  But we have the right to Freedom of Speech and I believe that this would fall under that.  I don't like it when I feel that our country/flag is being disrespected in such a way.  But I put in 8 years in the service to protect people of their rights whether I agree with them or not.

I will continue to stand and hold my hand over my heart as I hope that my son will continue that tradition as well.


My whole point has been - THEY ARE CHILDREN.

CHILDREN are not considered to be emotionally mature enough for certain decisions.  Psychiatrists are now telling us the brain isn't even mature until age 25. 

CHILDREN are not considered responsible enough when they commit certain crimes. 

There are plenty of rules in the real world.  School is one sort of getting us ready for them.

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #26 - 01/02/18 at 15:35:06
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mahdo1 wrote on 01/02/18 at 11:56:36:
Here's the bottom line and I know most of you will disagree with my point:  If they don't want to then don't make them.

It is a matter of respect and I respect our country and our flag.  My son does as well.  But we have the right to Freedom of Speech and I believe that this would fall under that.  I don't like it when I feel that our country/flag is being disrespected in such a way.  But I put in 8 years in the service to protect people of their rights whether I agree with them or not.

I will continue to stand and hold my hand over my heart as I hope that my son will continue that tradition as well.

Unfortunately, freedom of speech does NOT apply to children, despite what the liberal courts may say.
Example:  You're in a crowded restaurant with your 10yo when he decides he doesn't like the food.
What do YOU do when he loudly says, "This is horsesh*t!  Who the hell made this crap anyway?"

One more example.  When I was 7 we moved close to our cousins.  They had a little girl my age. 
One evening my family,  invited to dinner with the cousins, watched in astonishment as my little cousin refused steak/potatoes with milk, to demand in a screaming voice, "Choclaty milk and ice cream"!
To shut her up the parents broke down and gave it to her.

A couple of weeks later, my parents were asked to babysit the brat.
When she started telling my parents what she wanted for dinner, my dad handed her a plate of food and said, "you'll eat this, or go hungry!"
She ate it.

OOooo I could tell you stories about this brat---
All bad.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #27 - 01/02/18 at 17:05:35
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cj_real_american wrote on 01/02/18 at 12:53:19:
In saying this are you in favor of our players taking the knee?  IMHO they are setting an example to our youth.  If this is the case why did they ban chew?  It is however their choice.

They banned chew because they want to save us from ourselves.  Charles Barkley said it best "I am not a role model".  Why do they make us wear helmets?  Wear seat belts?  Etc.
  Instead of banning smoking in public places like restaurants let that place decide if they will allow smokers.  This is where it gets convoluted.  But if they can say "no shirts, no shoes, no service" than they can disallow smokers.  Some places will lose business and some will gain.  It's all part of capitalism.  Somebody will fill the void.
  I tell my son to look at Wayne Gretzky as a great player not a great person.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #28 - 01/02/18 at 17:08:30
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Lily003 wrote on 01/02/18 at 15:16:04:
My whole point has been - THEY ARE CHILDREN.

CHILDREN are not considered to be emotionally mature enough for certain decisions.  Psychiatrists are now telling us the brain isn't even mature until age 25. 

CHILDREN are not considered responsible enough when they commit certain crimes. 

There are plenty of rules in the real world.  School is one sort of getting us ready for them.

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Yes.  They ARE children.  And they can be taught to sing songs that praise Obama.  If their parents give the. The idea to kneel or even if they get it from a football player then so be it.  When the kid grows up he may later change his mind.  How many dumb things did you do as a kid and now regret or realize how stupid it was?  Too many for me to count my misdeeds.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #29 - 01/02/18 at 17:29:24
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Respectfully, this thread is starting to drift into The Theatre of The Absurd.

If one of my children ever chose to use his "freedom of speech" to show disrespect for an elder, disrespect for his country, rudeness in public, disruptive behavior in school, or any other comparable scenario, I'd take him (or her) home and wear their smart-alecky little butt all the way out.  I'd turn them into a grease spot.

As my dear departed Mom would say, "the job of a parent is to work himself out of a job."  When my kids lived under my roof, they lived by my rules, period.  They knew not to challenge the All Powerful One (me).  As parents, and we were always on the same page, we were preparing our kids to go out and fight the good fight in a very challenging world.  We KNEW, beyond any doubt, that there were certain universal rules for raising children.  Parents today are girl thingies.  They're afraid of their own kids, that is if they know for a fact that the kids are actually theirs.

If a "parent" is such a coward that he or she is willing to let their kids make difficult decisions, then they are abrogating their duties.  They do not deserve the title, Parent.
  
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