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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #30 - 01/02/18 at 21:31:29
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When the kid grows up he may later change his mind.  How many dumb things did you do as a kid and now regret or realize how stupid it was?  Too many for me to count my misdeeds. 

If not taught as a child, what makes you think they will decide to respect anything as an adult!!  It's our responsibility to teach them, for they are just children.  My 5 year old has no rights except for the ones I give him as a parent.  They have the right to food, clothes, shelter, and no abuse.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #31 - 01/02/18 at 22:27:08
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red hawk wrote on 01/02/18 at 17:29:24:
Respectfully, this thread is starting to drift into The Theatre of The Absurd.

If one of my children ever chose to use his "freedom of speech" to show disrespect for an elder, disrespect for his country, rudeness in public, disruptive behavior in school, or any other comparable scenario, I'd take him (or her) home and wear their smart-alecky little butt all the way out.  I'd turn them into a grease spot.

As my dear departed Mom would say, "the job of a parent is to work himself out of a job."  When my kids lived under my roof, they lived by my rules, period.  They knew not to challenge the All Powerful One (me).  As parents, and we were always on the same page, we were preparing our kids to go out and fight the good fight in a very challenging world.  We KNEW, beyond any doubt, that there were certain universal rules for raising children.  Parents today are girl thingies.  They're afraid of their own kids, that is if they know for a fact that the kids are actually theirs.

If a "parent" is such a coward that he or she is willing to let their kids make difficult decisions, then they are abrogating their duties.  They do not deserve the title, Parent.

Exactly!

Let's talk about some more examples:
1.  The thousands of 18yo college students who disrespected the veterans returning from Vietnam in varying conditions of health, going so far as to mount protests against veterans and the war.

In other words, letting "other" people fight the battles, while they enjoyed the benefits by disrespecting those who saved those values.
2.  I have a grandson, now 24, who grew up without guidance, because momma divorced daddy who had refused to find work (and is, today a homeless bum).  Momma had to work to pay the bills.
So at the age of 14, my grandson told me he was stopping other boys his age in the local park and forcing them to pay him $10 to pass through the park.  I warned him of doing it and explained the penalties.
In one ear and out the other!
By 16 he had served a term in Juvenile hall.
When he was released and while visiting with me, I tried to explain he was going to have to be very careful to stay out of trouble.
The next thing I knew, he was arrested at 18 for armed robbery and sentenced to 7 years in prison.  His partner got 17 years, because of his long rap sheet.

He was paroled this last summer after 4 years but has already violated his parole at least twice.  Each time it's overlooked because the prisons are overcrowded.
Does anybody think this kid is of use to anybody?

I've said it before.  A baby today is equivalent to a Neanderthal baby in behavior and intelligence.
What we teach them affects the people they become.

Schools should teach subjects; parents should teach social graces, along with respect for other people (except liberal dems  Grin )
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #32 - 01/02/18 at 23:51:30
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red hawk wrote on 12/31/17 at 23:53:03:
Let's be fair with each other.  We can all agree that these are very complicated times.

The concept known as "respect" must be taught.  The human mind is not fully developed until a child is roughly 16 years old.  As parents and community leaders, it is our RESPONSIBILITY to teach our children well.  Children can learn all of the important social and cultural lessons in life if their parents will quit smoking crack cocaine, working at jobs for 60 hours a week, lying about values, ignoring religion, living with an I-Pad jammed up their a$$ and just start being PARENTS.

Truthfully, I don't care if some welfare monkey's kids don't stand up and show respect:I care if MY monkeys stand up and show respect.

The bottom line for me, though, is easy.  Shut down every, and I mean EVERY, extra curricular activity at every school (K-12) in this entire country and turn the punks back over to "momma" at 2:30PM M-F.

Schools don't need students.  Students need schools.


Moma isn't home at 2:30.
  
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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #33 - 01/02/18 at 23:52:51
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|Glitch| wrote on 01/01/18 at 21:10:46:
The problem is that our children are not being taught why the US flag and National Anthem are important symbols.  They have utterly no clue what either symbolizes because they are being indoctrinated and not taught.

If children were actually educated there would be far fewer who sit while the National Anthem is played, or refuse to respect the flag.  There will still be some, of course, there always is, but I think the overwhelming majority of children would be much more respectful if they were given that education.


Bingo....
  
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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #34 - 01/03/18 at 00:18:09
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killermccoy wrote on 01/02/18 at 23:51:30:
Moma isn't home at 2:30.


Then Momma shouldn't have had children.  Parenting isn't for everybody.  Every one of those black kids that either gets killed  or kills somebody else each day in Southside Chicago had a Momma.  Loving and nurturing Motherhood, or the lack thereof, is the reason societies succeed or fail.
  
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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #35 - 01/03/18 at 00:41:15
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cj_real_american wrote on 01/02/18 at 21:31:29:
When the kid grows up he may later change his mind.  How many dumb things did you do as a kid and now regret or realize how stupid it was?  Too many for me to count my misdeeds. 

If not taught as a child, what makes you think they will decide to respect anything as an adult!!  It's our responsibility to teach them, for they are just children.  My 5 year old has no rights except for the ones I give him as a parent.  They have the right to food, clothes, shelter, and no abuse.


Yes, minors (children) do NOT have the same rights as adults. 

And with that, we parents (adults) have to provide for them.  Which includes teaching right from wrong.  The schools are able to do that in place of a parent being there (by law). 

Children do not do well without boundaries.

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #36 - 01/03/18 at 00:55:02
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Public education suxxxxxx!  Very few of the "teachers" our children had when they were in school could match, or even closely approximate, the discipline, love, and guidance that they got at home.

Children need to be raised in sober, religious, disciplined nuclear families with aunts, uncles, cousins, granddads and grandmas to teach them the rules of the road.  When I was a boy, if I was having trouble communicating with my dad, I'd just go over to my aunts house.  She was his baby sister, had lots of cousins for me to play with, and was a lot smarter than he was.  When I finally got settled down, I'd go home and eat one of momma's pies.  It was all good.
  
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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #37 - 01/03/18 at 05:40:58
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Why is the age question even being discussed?  Children do not have the same rights as adults.  Age has certain restrictions all through your life.  Even the Constitution has age requirements for certain things.  Anyone who believes all people have the same rights regardless of age is just not being logical.
  
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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #38 - 01/03/18 at 06:15:23
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cj_real_american wrote on 01/02/18 at 21:31:29:
When the kid grows up he may later change his mind.  How many dumb things did you do as a kid and now regret or realize how stupid it was?  Too many for me to count my misdeeds. 

If not taught as a child, what makes you think they will decide to respect anything as an adult!!  It's our responsibility to teach them, for they are just children.  My 5 year old has no rights except for the ones I give him as a parent.  They have the right to food, clothes, shelter, and no abuse.

Both my sister and I grew up as atheist.  We’re both Christians now while our parents are still atheists.  People learn.
  

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Re: So even kids can't be forced to stand for the National Anthem
Reply #39 - 01/03/18 at 06:36:30
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mahdo1 wrote on 01/03/18 at 06:15:23:
Both my sister and I grew up as atheist.  We’re both Christians now while our parents are still atheists.  People learn.


No, that is not correct.  SOME people learn.  If that were true there would not be any gangs.
  
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