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Reply #30 - 01/02/18 at 13:40:00
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bigmck wrote on 01/02/18 at 07:32:52:
It is really hard to believe that you are defending pot.  I guess we know what you do in your spare time.

That's silly.
  

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Reply #31 - 01/02/18 at 13:44:00
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|Glitch| wrote on 01/02/18 at 03:48:12:
You are forgetting the criminal element within government, which will now increase as a result of legalizing marijuana.  So I don't really think there will be much of an offset of the criminal element.  Particularly now that California has devolved into the immorality of drug pushers.  In a few more years California will find that they absolutely must have the revenue from marijuana sales.  Kind of like the way our federal government currently taxes alcohol and tobacco.  When you tax vices you end up with a government that pushes those vices to ensure their revenue is not jeopardized.

The government pushes tobacco use? All I have seen is commercials that say just the opposite.
  

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Reply #32 - 01/02/18 at 14:14:12
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mahdo1 wrote on 01/02/18 at 11:58:49:
There will be an increase in lung cancer in California in the next twenty years.  What will they give them then?


The way things are headed, we should have 'Medicinal Heroin' by then to give them. sarcasm
  
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Reply #33 - 01/02/18 at 14:24:46
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The more liberals smoke the less likely they will find the polls to vote.  Wink
  
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Reply #34 - 01/02/18 at 14:49:11
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WAlt wrote on 01/02/18 at 08:46:51:
IMO, the hypocrisy element here, with respect to California, is the pot being marketed that will be smoked (not marketed mixed in food, drinks, and other created ways to attract current and new users, etc.).

California taxes the hell out of cigarettes ($2.87/pack) predicated on the carcinogens in tobacco, and that heavily taxing cigarettes will induce more smokers to quit -- for their own good (health reasons).

Now, in order to rake in millions of new tax dollars -- California is legally allowing marketing of a product rife with carcinogens and loads of carbon monoxide!

As such, that basically indicates to me that California (governments) are really more interested in the tax revenue collected from cigarettes and other tobacco containing products -- and now pot -- than they are concerned with the health of tobacco and pot smokers.



Years ago when the cigarette tax was increased by a huge amount, the reason was said to be to deter smoking but what would happen if a bunch of people quit and the government no longer got their taxes.  I believe we are seeing that now.
  
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Reply #35 - 01/02/18 at 15:10:46
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bigmck wrote on 01/02/18 at 14:49:11:
Years ago when the cigarette tax was increased by a huge amount, the reason was said to be to deter smoking but what would happen if a bunch of people quit and the government no longer got their taxes.  I believe we are seeing that now.


I recall many years ago (maybe 10 years ago or so) some state levied high taxes on a product (may have been cigarettes, alcohol, soda, etc.), saying it was in the best interest of the consumer (less product, better health).

The consumers didn't like the higher taxes so they went across adjacent state lines and bought the product. This upset the state that levied the higher taxes because the additional tax revenue they were licking their chops over didn't materialize -- proving to me it was all along about new found tax revenue.

I have no degree or special study in economics, but there's only a finite amount of discretionary money to be spent by Californians.

The way I see it, if pot smokers start buying pot hand over fist (and the pot is heavily taxed, far more than other consumer products) -- that means the pot smoker will have far less money to spend on other products, resulting in less sales for other merchants/businesses, and less sales tax collected for the state.

How does it all balance out to where in the final analysis California gains economically from the legalization and sale of pot?

I can see the state government taking in more in taxes (overall) due to the higher taxes on pot, but I see less sales of goods and services by other businesses due to the pot smokers having less disposable income (more of it going to by pot), and as a result, less state sales taxes collected, which would partially offset some of the higher taxes on pot.


  
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Reply #36 - 01/02/18 at 15:18:28
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Let's face it---most state governments have no interest in the health concerns of the citizens. 

I won't be surprised if CA doesn't legalize prostitution.  They will undoubtedly allow brothels, for the simple reason they're easy to control---and tax.
Prostitutes can be made to pay income taxes on the money they earn from prostitution.  (Heck, the state might even tax the pimp's pay!)  Grin

France figured this out many years ago and, since Brown made a trip over there not too long ago to supposedly push his climate agenda, I won't be surprised if he checked out the business end of whoring, also.  Roll Eyes

When you consider how many whores we have in America, it's time to change the charge from "sexual harassment" to acceptance of "friendly gropes" as a come-on for prostitution, simply because the State gets paid that way.

As for the dangers of driving under the influence, the only thing legalizing pot will do is add more people stoned while driving, to the great number of drunks already on the road.
Hey!  That's ONE way of thinning the population, right?


  

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Reply #37 - 01/02/18 at 15:41:33
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oldcoot wrote on 01/02/18 at 15:18:28:
As for the dangers of driving under the influence, the only thing legalizing pot will do is add more people stoned while driving, to the great number of drunks already on the road.
Hey!  That's ONE way of thinning the population, right?



And I hope all those drivers ticketed for driving while under the influence -- especially if they cause an accident -- are fined through the nose, plus have their insurance rates raised drastically.

I'd be interested to see if California changed their driving infraction laws to reflect driving violations with respect to the new legalization of pot.
  
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Reply #38 - 01/02/18 at 15:52:17
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red hawk wrote on 01/01/18 at 15:23:47:
A perfect example of how feckless Drudge is.  That might have been a headline in 1966.

Nonsense. Drudge is as effective as he ever was. That's why Drudge Report is my default opening website.
  

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Re: Pot now legal in California....
Reply #39 - 01/02/18 at 16:12:02
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WAlt wrote on 01/02/18 at 15:41:33:
And I hope all those drivers ticketed for driving while under the influence -- especially if they cause an accident -- are fined through the nose, plus have their insurance rates raised drastically.

I'd be interested to see if California changed their driving infraction laws to reflect driving violations with respect to the new legalization of pot.

....accuracy of a DUI test for marijuana "a flawed system" is questionable.
https://www.duiease.com/test-for-marijuana-california/
  

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