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Reply #20 - 01/07/18 at 16:49:18
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I believe everything you have posted and said.  But if the votes aren't there, what is Trump supposed to do?  That's where my hang-up is. He doesn't have the votes to do anything but negotiate to get as much as he can out of the opposition. As far as I can tell, there are a large number of Rhinos against the wall, even.
  
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Reply #21 - 01/07/18 at 16:49:59
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UCAV wrote on 01/07/18 at 16:18:49:
Well guess what?  Between my republican, conservative, and many democrat friends, I don't have a single one that wants them to stay. The problem is the votes in congress.  The rinos want them to stay, but there have been polls of the general public and those polls average around 68% deportation.


One thing is they mislead people into thinking they are CHILDREN.  They are mostly ADULTS, some with children of their own.

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Reply #22 - 01/07/18 at 16:54:05
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MoGal wrote on 01/07/18 at 16:49:18:
I believe everything you have posted and said.  But if the votes aren't there, what is Trump supposed to do?  That's where my hang-up is. He doesn't have the votes to do anything but negotiate to get as much as he can out of the opposition. As far as I can tell, there are a large number of Rhinos against the wall, even.


President Trump has the veto power, so he'll veto it, and they won't have the votes to over ride his veto. Then the dems will have to move to shut the government down.  They won't do that, it's an election year.
  

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Reply #23 - 01/08/18 at 06:28:05
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MoGal wrote on 01/07/18 at 14:22:41:
I don't want them here; but realistically speaking, the majority of the country wants them here. I'll trade that for border security; the wall; no chain migration, no visa lotteries and e-verify ENFORCED.  There are plenty of other things we could do as well, but nobody is kicking these people out. It's not going to happen and Trump has accepted that and so have I. What he gets in return is a different story.


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Reply #24 - 01/08/18 at 06:36:12
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MoGal wrote on 01/07/18 at 16:49:18:
I believe everything you have posted and said.  But if the votes aren't there, what is Trump supposed to do?  That's where my hang-up is. He doesn't have the votes to do anything but negotiate to get as much as he can out of the opposition. As far as I can tell, there are a large number of Rhinos against the wall, even.


You are correct.  Very, very few in the House and Senate would vote to deport.  The only shot is to get what we can out of the DACA law to let them stay.  If we don't get Wall funding, stop chain migration, stop Lottery, more Border Agents and nationwide E-Verify, we are losers in the deal. == On E-Verify, it is not talked about a lot here, but E-Verify is not Nationwide.  It is only in some states.  If we get it Nationwide and ENFORCE, that would do wonders for illegal immigration.
  

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Reply #25 - 01/08/18 at 06:59:53
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[quote author=27222A303A7A7B74430 link=1515139372/21#21 date=1515361799]

One thing is they mislead people into thinking they are CHILDREN.  They are mostly ADULTS, some with children of their own.

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The other misleading figure is the number in the military. That is really quite low. And most are not in college as is often touted.
  
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Reply #26 - 01/09/18 at 02:57:39
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MoGal wrote on 01/08/18 at 06:59:53:
[quote author=27222A303A7A7B74430 link=1515139372/21#21 date=1515361799]

One thing is they mislead people into thinking they are CHILDREN.  They are mostly ADULTS, some with children of their own.



The other misleading figure is the number in the military. That is really quite low. And most are not in college as is often touted.



Didn't it say that only 359 have joined the military?

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Reply #27 - 01/09/18 at 07:38:20
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Lily003 wrote on 01/09/18 at 02:57:39:
Didn't it say that only 359 have joined the military?

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This link says fewer than 900, never the less, it is not very many.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-says-daca-recipients-in-military-number-fe...
  

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