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Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
01/07/18 at 11:41:35
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President Trump sent the Senate a list of items that he would like to see in a bill to help illegal immigrants that entered the US as children.  As I am sure that you know that these illegals were backed by previous the Obama Administration in a unconstitutional program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).  This program was unconstitutional because Obama enacted the program through Executive Order.  The US Constitution gives Congress the authority to write legislation, and gives the President the authority to sign the bill, or Veto it.  Yet the President's authority is not absolute because it can be overridden by a 2/3 vote by congress.  The Constitution does not give the President the authority to enact law by circumventing the legislation.  Yet, that is exactly what Obama did with DACA.

In September 2017, President Trump ended the unconstitutional program.  But he left the door open by calling on Congress to give those that had been covered under the DACA program.  The list that President Trump sent to the Senate was a wish list of what he wanted to see in the bill.  The list included building the border wall, more immigration enforcement agents, punishment for sanctuary cities/states, and restrictions on citizens and legal residents sponsoring family members’ visas, and policies that make it easier to detain and deport undocumented immigrants.

In my honest opinion, that is not an unreasonable list.  Yet the Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin claims that Democrats would not support any bill that contains any of these items.  He also stated that this list could cause a Democrat revolt on the government funding bill.  Senator Durbin claims that by sending this list to the Senate, President Trump is saying that he needs a "good government shutdown to get his wall".  A typical DNC tactic.  Threaten to cause a government shutdown by stonewall a bipartisan spending bill if the President dares to push for agenda items that got him elected to office.  Then blame the GOP for the shutdown.

Frankly, I wished that Senator Durbin would stop acting like the male apendage that he was named after!!

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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #1 - 01/07/18 at 11:50:22
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Then let it be doomed. As far as I am concerned the republicans need to deal with this as they did the tax bill. If the evilcrats don’t want to do what is right for the country them do it without them.

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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
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newt2008 wrote on 01/07/18 at 11:50:22:
Then let it be doomed. As far as I am concerned the republicans need to deal with this as they did the tax bill. If the evilcrats don’t want to do what is right for the country them do it without them.

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Absolutely!
True conservatives wouldn’t even blink at the prospect of moving on without a single Democrat! They would forge ahead and add it to their short resume of things ACCOMPLISHED for the good of the American working class family.
As for “Turbin Durbin,” he’s as despicable as they come. I would only hope what he says here can be taken at face value.
  
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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #3 - 01/07/18 at 13:28:13
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Good. No caving this time. Good bye democrats...The people have voted and its what we want...Why negotiate with the losers?
  

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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #4 - 01/07/18 at 15:37:37
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newt2008 wrote on 01/07/18 at 11:50:22:
Then let it be doomed. As far as I am concerned the republicans need to deal with this as they did the tax bill. If the evilcrats don’t want to do what is right for the country them do it without them.

Ms. Borelli


The worst thing that the GOP can do is adopt the DNC's my way or the highway tactic of the DNC.  It was that tactic that got us a failed Obamacare program, and a Stimulus package that was full of temp jobs.  To think a program pushed through without DNC support would fair any better is just plain wrong.

Prior to 2006, our country survived on a system where the GOP and DNC worked together.  Compromise was the name of the game.  Since 2006, our country has failed to move forward.  We have stagnated.  As a result, liberals and conservative extremist have rose to the forefront of their parties.  We elected President Trump because we felt that he was our best chance to return to a workable system.   In order to do that, President Trump has to hammer out a deal.  That can only be done through compromise.  Senator Durbin's statement proves that he is incapable to understand the necessity of working together.  Do you really want to be like Senator Durbin?

President Trump's list is the first step in negotiations.  He has said that if the DNC wants the DACA program, they will have to work out a compromise.  That compromise should include a border wall, more immigration enforcement agents, punishment for sanctuary cities/states, restrictions on who citizens and legal residents can sponsor visa's fore, and policies that would allow immigration agents to detain and deport illegals.  You can bet that this is not the full package.  There will be other additions that can be added by the GOP to any bill.  Such as restrictions and disqualifying criterias for inclusion in the program.  Like no felony convictions, no more then two misdemeanor convictions, and no gang affiliation.  That alone would disqualify the majority of those that were included under Obama's unconstitutional program. 

There is a additional advantage to President Trump's action.  During the Obama Administration, there were two federal government shutdowns.  The first was in 2013 due to the GOP wanting to keep DNC from driving the country further into debt, and the second was in 2015 because the GOP wanted to defund Planned Parenthood.  Of course the DNC blamed both shutdowns on the GOP.  Now Senator Durbin is doing the same thing about immigration reform.  But Trump's actions make it easy for the GOP to point out that the DNC is holding the spending bill hostage for the DACA program.  This will work to the advantage of GOP candidates running in the mid-term elections. 
  

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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #5 - 01/07/18 at 15:46:15
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Dick Durbin is one of the most despicable human beings.  He has NO concern for the American people.  Bring in refugees - fine with him.  Legalize the DACA group -fine.  I don't see why the people of Illinois keep sending him back.  Being an incumbent I guess.

The President doesn't have to do ANYTHING.  He's got the power now - not Dick Durbin.  He should not negotiate ANYTHING on the  people of the United States.  Sen. Durbin is all bluster in his demands.

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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #6 - 01/07/18 at 15:51:41
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Marine 13 wrote on 01/07/18 at 11:41:35:
President Trump sent the Senate a list of items that he would like to see in a bill to help illegal immigrants that entered the US as children.  As I am sure that you know that these illegals were backed by previous the Obama Administration in a unconstitutional program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).  This program was unconstitutional because Obama enacted the program through Executive Order.  The US Constitution gives Congress the authority to write legislation, and gives the President the authority to sign the bill, or Veto it.  Yet the President's authority is not absolute because it can be overridden by a 2/3 vote by congress.  The Constitution does not give the President the authority to enact law by circumventing the legislation.  Yet, that is exactly what Obama did with DACA.

In September 2017, President Trump ended the unconstitutional program.  But he left the door open by calling on Congress to give those that had been covered under the DACA program.  The list that President Trump sent to the Senate was a wish list of what he wanted to see in the bill.  The list included building the border wall, more immigration enforcement agents, punishment for sanctuary cities/states, and restrictions on citizens and legal residents sponsoring family members’ visas, and policies that make it easier to detain and deport undocumented immigrants.

In my honest opinion, that is not an unreasonable list.  Yet the Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin claims that Democrats would not support any bill that contains any of these items.  He also stated that this list could cause a Democrat revolt on the government funding bill.  Senator Durbin claims that by sending this list to the Senate, President Trump is saying that he needs a "good government shutdown to get his wall".  A typical DNC tactic.  Threaten to cause a government shutdown by stonewall a bipartisan spending bill if the President dares to push for agenda items that got him elected to office.  Then blame the GOP for the shutdown.

Frankly, I wished that Senator Durbin would stop acting like the male apendage that he was named after!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-demands-help-dreamers-015330210.html

Well......., yes and no.

Yes, in that compromise with one's political adversaries usually leads to the better deal for all concerned.

But mostly, NO.

The biggest problem we have had with compromising ourselves to the demands of the leftists, from (approximately) the 1920s through the early 21st century, is that compromise for constitutional conservatism has only led to moving slowly but consistently farther and farther left.

We compromise on an issue, and the very next time that issue comes up - which they all invariably do - the left starts the new negotiations by setting their goal posts significantly to the left of the LAST compromise. Then we compromise again, and the result is another shift toward the left. After almost 100 years of that crap, we're sitting across the street from the left field parking lot wonder how the hell we got here?

The left NEVER EVER EVER compromises to the right. It is ALWAYS AND FOREVER demanding conservatives "meet them half way" - when "half way" ends up being, by the forth or fifth round, actually leftward of their position the FIRST time the issue was discussed.

I, for one, am DONE compromising with the fracking, satan worshipping, totalitarian socialist progs.  It's time we set OUR goal posts ALL the way back to the system originally designed in our Constitution, and then "compromise" from that stance. Anything less is just adding more socialism to an already corrupted system.
  
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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #7 - 01/07/18 at 15:58:43
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January 20, 2017: Democrats quickly vow pushback against Trump agenda

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/20/democrats-quickly-vow-pushback-...

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Usually members of the party that lost the White House set aside the first day for celebrating democracy, and while there was some of that, overall Democrats said they see their role as intense resistance.

Nowhere was that more clear than on immigration, where Democrats held a press conference to demand Mr. Trump soften his stand on an issue that helped carry him to victory.


Democrats will NOT compromise and I have a feeling Trump will make them regret it in 2018.
  

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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #8 - 01/07/18 at 17:45:56
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ZeWazir wrote on 01/07/18 at 15:51:41:
Well......., yes and no.

Yes, in that compromise with one's political adversaries usually leads to the better deal for all concerned.

But mostly, NO.

The biggest problem we have had with compromising ourselves to the demands of the leftists, from (approximately) the 1920s through the early 21st century, is that compromise for constitutional conservatism has only led to moving slowly but consistently farther and farther left.

We compromise on an issue, and the very next time that issue comes up - which they all invariably do - the left starts the new negotiations by setting their goal posts significantly to the left of the LAST compromise. Then we compromise again, and the result is another shift toward the left. After almost 100 years of that crap, we're sitting across the street from the left field parking lot wonder how the hell we got here?

The left NEVER EVER EVER compromises to the right. It is ALWAYS AND FOREVER demanding conservatives "meet them half way" - when "half way" ends up being, by the forth or fifth round, actually leftward of their position the FIRST time the issue was discussed.

I, for one, am DONE compromising with the fracking, satan worshipping, totalitarian socialist progs.  It's time we set OUR goal posts ALL the way back to the system originally designed in our Constitution, and then "compromise" from that stance. Anything less is just adding more socialism to an already corrupted system.


If it is for the good of the American people, there should be NO compromise by President Trump.

The left doesn't compromise, they just keep moving the goalposts.  RINO'S are going to be a big problem.

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Re: Senator Dick Durbin says Trumps demands for DACA could doom deal
Reply #9 - 01/08/18 at 06:24:25
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Good post Marine 13.  Either Trump gets his Wall funding, border agents and other things or deport the DACA's.  That should be the program.
  
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