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Reply #10 - 01/12/18 at 00:14:13
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red hawk wrote on 01/11/18 at 23:28:11:
NO!  Just NO!

This is all out war.  The democommies in this country can sit and twist. 

We have the power and the right to make our country lawful again.

No!  Not on my watch.


You have just discribed the exactly what we should do if you want to return the Congress and Senate back to DNC control in 2018, and a Democrat President in 2020.

You can not win by emulating your opposition's failed strategy.  If you can't see that, then I am afraid your in for a long and frustrating year.
  

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Re: So, WHO IS NOT ROOTING FOR HIM?
Reply #11 - 01/12/18 at 00:40:34
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Our opposition doesn't have a strategy:all they have is lies.

The centerpiece of the Trump Movement is immigration.  If we falter in our resolve, we will be just as lost as you say we will be by emulating our enemies.  If we take our eyes off the prize now, the country that you and I grew up in will not, indeed cannot, recover.

The are 323 million people in this country.  If several million illegals are sent back to their homelands, the balance of electoral force will hardly feel the shift.  We have to do what is RIGHT, not what is politically expedient.  You and I have an honest and legitimate disagreement over the way (or ways) to achieve the desired result.  That is good.  I won't try to change your view.

What must be said though, is that the people who came to our country illegally are more valuable to their own homeland than they are to ours.  If they yearn to be free, to have property, to make the world a better place for themselves and their posterity as they say they do, then their first responsibility is to their home and their roots.  Deep in our hearts, we know that an inordinately large percentage of them are here for the freebies.  That's wrong, and nothing you or I can say will make it right.

This issue is neither cultural nor geographical, but philosophical.  Because of the blood and sweat we have invested in this country of ours for the last 410 years, the final arbiter of all that is right is us.  The democrat party is the Communist Party, and in the United States of America, the Communist Party is the enemy.  They don't count.

Respectfully, I stand fast.  NO!  Not on my watch.
  
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Reply #12 - 01/12/18 at 04:34:49
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Marine 13 wrote on 01/12/18 at 00:14:13:
You have just discribed the exactly what we should do if you want to return the Congress and Senate back to DNC control in 2018, and a Democrat President in 2020.

You can not win by emulating your opposition's failed strategy.  If you can't see that, then I am afraid your in for a long and frustrating year. 


Maybe you compromise in a business or a marriage or other situations.  You DON'T compromise on the future of the country.  Illegal immigrants, including those in the DACA group, are NOT American citizens.  We owe them absolutely nothing.  Neither do the President, Senate, or House.  It is WRONG to put them into any sort of priority to our government.  There has been such lawlessness that people have been brainwashed to think they mean ANYTHING to the American citizen.  They have taken enormous resources from us.  DACA people USED our educational system, and we PAID for it.  And various other benefits.  Those taxpayer dollars should be spent on taxpayers or lowering our deficit.

Securing our border, enforcing the law, making sure illegal aliens are not hired, and enforcing our laws are the ONLY things our government should be doing.  If we want to help others, it's got to be in their countries.  If it's not done now, just give it up.  Open the border and just let it all be ruined, sooner or later.  Our President, House, and Senate have taken an oath to THIS country.  Not Mexico, Guatemala, Haiti, Somalia, Syria, etc. and they have let us down.  For temporary politicians, they have damaged this country possibly irreparably.

I don't care about parties, elections, politics, etc.  This is not a game.  It is the future of this country.

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Re: So, WHO IS NOT ROOTING FOR HIM?
Reply #13 - 01/12/18 at 07:30:19
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Lily003 wrote on 01/12/18 at 04:34:49:
Maybe you compromise in a business or a marriage or other situations.  You DON'T compromise on the future of the country.  Illegal immigrants, including those in the DACA group, are NOT American citizens.  We owe them absolutely nothing.  Neither do the President, Senate, or House.  It is WRONG to put them into any sort of priority to our government.  There has been such lawlessness that people have been brainwashed to think they mean ANYTHING to the American citizen.  They have taken enormous resources from us.  DACA people USED our educational system, and we PAID for it.  And various other benefits.  Those taxpayer dollars should be spent on taxpayers or lowering our deficit.

Securing our border, enforcing the law, making sure illegal aliens are not hired, and enforcing our laws are the ONLY things our government should be doing.  If we want to help others, it's got to be in their countries.  If it's not done now, just give it up.  Open the border and just let it all be ruined, sooner or later.  Our President, House, and Senate have taken an oath to THIS country.  Not Mexico, Guatemala, Haiti, Somalia, Syria, etc. and they have let us down.  For temporary politicians, they have damaged this country possibly irreparably.

I don't care about parties, elections, politics, etc.  This is not a game.  It is the future of this country.

Lily003   Undecided


Just curious about the above statement.  If there were two DACA's in each and every school room (and there are not nearly that many) it would not cost the taxpayers one extra cent.  Same principal as the airlines giving Frequent Flyer Miles.  The school is operating anyway, with or without DACA's.  Using the DACA's as a way to get the Wall, stopping Chain Migration and the Lottery does a lot more to help the Country than deporting 800,000 people.  Why would you deport them and leave the Door Open for more to come.  Without the Wall and other things, that is exactly what is happening.  The DACA's are a small price to pay for Wall funding which will stop millions in the future plus the drugs and human trafficking that come with them.  Anyone who wants the DACA's out means you are not getting the Wall funding.  It requires 60 votes in the Senate and you will not get that unless you deal with the Democrats and let the DACA's stay in return for the Wall funding.  Why can't all of you see that?
  
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Re: So, WHO IS NOT ROOTING FOR HIM?
Reply #14 - 01/12/18 at 07:32:12
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Sheet for brains Democrats, that's who. Smiley
  
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Re: So, WHO IS NOT ROOTING FOR HIM?
Reply #15 - 01/12/18 at 09:29:04
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I would take issue with the remark about two DACAs in each class not straining the school. Extra funding for ESL (English as second language). Extra funding for interpreters for family who have to be present for every meeting with the school, and who also have to be present for all school wide meetings to interpret for the parents what administration is saying.  Extra funding for those in special ed (more than you would suspect). Extra funding for their food  and after school programs, it goes on and on
  
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Re: So, WHO IS NOT ROOTING FOR HIM?
Reply #16 - 01/12/18 at 09:30:29
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I'm not going to squawk when the DACAs are left here; that's a given. But I would like for the administration to acknowledge what they have cost the taxpayers in education, healthcare, food and other social welfare programs. We're buying cheap labor and gang members.
  
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Re: So, WHO IS NOT ROOTING FOR HIM?
Reply #17 - 01/12/18 at 10:14:35
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Red Hawk, to claim that our opposition does not have a strategy, just lies, is ignoring the fact that the lies are their strategy.  But it is not the whole of their strategy.  First they put out the lies.  Then they use the media to shape individual reactions to these lies.  They use polls to see if the general public is believing the lies.  The common sense counter to the lies is of course the publication of truths and facts.  But if the media has far more exposure then the truths, many in the general public are not exposed to the truths.  Only the lies.  Make no mistake.  This is what is behind the George Soros Antifa, BLM and BAMN movements.  It is silencing anyone that dares to speak the truth.  This is an effective strategy.

But we on the Right have some lies of our own.  Like the one that says that we can round up a more then 11 million illegals, and immediately deport them.  The fact is that this lie is based on the omission of the fact that our laws are not as straight forward as many might think.  First, most of the undocumented individuals in this country has technically not violated any law.  Before anyone can be arrested or detained, there must be a Federal, State, or local statute that defines their actions as being not allowed.  That statute must set a level of violation (misdemeanor, or felony and a class).  The statute must also identify a penalty for violating the statute.  Here is where things become hinky in the area of immigrations.  The majority of those living in the US illegally, actually entered the US legally.  The entered the US on a work, school or tourist Visa, and then did not leave when they expired.  While the law states that they can not do this, the law does not identify if the violation is a misdemeanor or felony, and it does not identify a punishment for violating the statute.  Therefore it is does not meet the criminal threshold required for arrest.  Further, if an individual did actually sneak across the border, things are not so clear there either.  It is illegal to get caught entering the US illegally,  but once you are in the US you are no longer breaking the law.  So, immigration agents must depend on other means to identify and detain illegals.  But with cities and California declaring themselves as sanctuary cities/state, other means become non-existent. 

So, what do we need?  First we need to secure the southern border, and we need new laws that give federal agents the authority to identify and detain illegals.  Next we need the means to punish sanctuary cities/states.  In other words, we need exactly what Trump has put on the table.  Can we expect, the liberals to just give us those tools?  Not no, but hell no!!  We will need to compromise with the DNC to get what we want. 

To claim other wise is to ignore those 416 years of history, and to fail to recognize that there are as many retiring Republican lawmakers as there are.  If you want to replace these Republicans with other Republicans, then we will need to set ourselves apart from the DNC.  We have to show the undecided in this country that the GOP is offering a more stable government then that of the DNC.  Otherwise, you will be giving the legislature back to the DNC.   Then the country will be hampered with a Speaker like Pelosi and a Senate Majority leader like Schumer.  Is that really what you want?

An offer of a pathway to citizenship to a limited and select group of illegals in necessary to ensure that we do not have to visit this issue again.  Reagan made the mistake of granting amnesty first, based on a promise to secure the border afterwards.  That promised security did not happen.  That is why we are here now.  Trump is working to arrange for the security to happen first, but it can only be done by working with the DNC.

Remember what Richard M. Langworth said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."
  

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Re: So, WHO IS NOT ROOTING FOR HIM?
Reply #18 - 01/12/18 at 10:30:49
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Lily003 wrote on 01/12/18 at 04:34:49:
Maybe you compromise in a business or a marriage or other situations.  You DON'T compromise on the future of the country.  Illegal immigrants, including those in the DACA group, are NOT American citizens.  We owe them absolutely nothing.  Neither do the President, Senate, or House.  It is WRONG to put them into any sort of priority to our government.  There has been such lawlessness that people have been brainwashed to think they mean ANYTHING to the American citizen.  They have taken enormous resources from us.  DACA people USED our educational system, and we PAID for it.  And various other benefits.  Those taxpayer dollars should be spent on taxpayers or lowering our deficit.

Securing our border, enforcing the law, making sure illegal aliens are not hired, and enforcing our laws are the ONLY things our government should be doing.  If we want to help others, it's got to be in their countries.  If it's not done now, just give it up.  Open the border and just let it all be ruined, sooner or later.  Our President, House, and Senate have taken an oath to THIS country.  Not Mexico, Guatemala, Haiti, Somalia, Syria, etc. and they have let us down.  For temporary politicians, they have damaged this country possibly irreparably.

I don't care about parties, elections, politics, etc.  This is not a game.  It is the future of this country.

Lily003   Undecided


Lily, I am still waiting for you to explain how the US shutdown all immigration between 1920 and 1965.

I can not believe that so many staunch conservatives can not seem to face reality.  Please read my post to Red Hawk.  You will see that not all things that we assume are illegal are actually are.  Further, there is absolutely that we can roundup, detain, judicate and deport more then 11 million individuals.  It just can't be done.  So, what is the solution. 

Trump has identified to tools necessary to rid this country of the majority of the illegals in this country.  But acquiring those tools will come at a price.  That price will be providing a pathway to citizenship to for a limited and select group of illegals. 

If you do not think that this is how this country has scoped it's future in the past, then you really need to go back and study US History. This is how it has been done up until 2006.  Since then our country has stagnated.  It is time for up to move forward again.  Otherwise, you will need to stock up on weapons, ammunition and supplies necessary to fight a civil war.  It is time to show the US general population that the GOP is the driving force to stear this country into the future.  Or be prepared to defend our conservative ideas with a force of arms. 
  

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Reply #19 - 01/12/18 at 11:13:54
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Marine 13 wrote on 01/12/18 at 10:30:49:
Lily, I am still waiting for you to explain how the US shutdown all immigration between 1920 and 1965.

I can not believe that so many staunch conservatives can not seem to face reality.  Please read my post to Red Hawk.  You will see that not all things that we assume are illegal are actually are.  Further, there is absolutely that we can roundup, detain, judicate and deport more then 11 million individuals.  It just can't be done.  So, what is the solution. 

Trump has identified to tools necessary to rid this country of the majority of the illegals in this country.  But acquiring those tools will come at a price.  That price will be providing a pathway to citizenship to for a limited and select group of illegals. 

If you do not think that this is how this country has scoped it's future in the past, then you really need to go back and study US History. This is how it has been done up until 2006.  Since then our country has stagnated.  It is time for up to move forward again.  Otherwise, you will need to stock up on weapons, ammunition and supplies necessary to fight a civil war.  It is time to show the US general population that the GOP is the driving force to stear this country into the future.  Or be prepared to defend our conservative ideas with a force of arms. 




You piqued my curiosity when you asked Lily this. If I may, this may be what she is referencing. They didn't shut it down but shall we say, reconfigured it.

"Fifty years ago, the U.S. enacted a sweeping immigration law, the Immigration and Nationality Act, which replaced longstanding national origin quotas that favored Northern Europe with a new system allocating more visas to people from other countries around the world and giving increased priority to close relatives of U.S. residents.

Just prior to passage of the 1965 law, residents of only three countries—Ireland, Germany and the United Kingdom—were entitled to nearly 70% of the quota visas available to enter the U.S. (U.S. Department of Justice, 1965).4 Today, immigration to the U.S. is dominated by people born in Asia and Latin America, with immigrants from all of Europe accounting for only 10% of recent arrivals.

The 1965 law undid national origin quotas enacted in the 1920s, which were written into laws that imposed the first numerical limits on immigration. Those laws were the culmination of steadily tightening federal restrictions on immigration that began in the late 1800s with prohibitions or restrictions on certain types of immigrants, such as convicts, in addition to a ban on Chinese migrants and later virtually all Asian migrants."


http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/chapter-1-the-nations-immigration-laws-192...
  
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