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Reply #40 - 02/12/18 at 17:51:27
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bigmck wrote on 02/12/18 at 07:30:17:
You don't see any difference in Private Property bought with Drug Money and Private Property bought with a "Hard Days Work" money?


Actually, no I don't, and neither does the constitution. If a crime was committed and there was an arrest for that crime, the money/asset can then be held until trial, but in many cases this is not the case. The cops confiscate the money without any charges, then it's up to the individual to get a lawyer and try to get his/her money back. No one should be subject to that kind of theft by any government employee. It is through due process that we retain our rights...
  

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Reply #41 - 02/12/18 at 22:13:18
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bigmck wrote on 02/12/18 at 07:30:17:
You don't see any difference in Private Property bought with Drug Money and Private Property bought with a "Hard Days Work" money?

Thing is, under a CONSTITUTIONAL government, there IS no difference until the money is PROVEN in a court of law, through full and complete due process, to be drug money, or money derived through whatever crime a person is accused of. Until then it is the money of an INNOCENT CITIZEN.

Civil Asset Forfeiture, the money is illicit until proven innocent, and even then it can be withheld. That is wrong. It is a CRIME on the part of our government, and I don't care what "crime fighting" excuser they use. It is WRONG. And anyone who defends it is just one more enemy for me to fight when it comes time to take down the tyranny.
  
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Reply #42 - 02/13/18 at 06:39:48
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The Stranger wrote on 02/12/18 at 09:52:44:
Why is it so hard for an American to believe that having cash is not a crime? WOW!!!!!!! Many of these folks are just average Joe's!


I was speaking of "Criminal Asset Forfeiture".  I have not heard of the "Civil Asset Forfeiture" before and do not know the details of what triggers it, but it certainly is wrong.
  
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Reply #43 - 02/13/18 at 07:13:02
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Types Of Federal Forfeiture

Criminal forfeiture is an action brought as a part of the criminal prosecution of a defendant. It is an in personam (against the person) action and requires that the government indict (charge) the property used or derived from the crime along with the defendant. If the jury finds the property forfeitable, the court issues an order of forfeiture.

For forfeitures pursuant to the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO), as well as money laundering and obscenity statutes, there is an ancillary hearing for third parties to assert their interest in the property. Once the interests of third parties are addressed, the court issues a final forfeiture order.

Civil judicial forfeiture is an in rem (against the property) action brought in court against the property. The property is the defendant and no criminal charge against the owner is necessary.

Administrative forfeiture is an in rem action that permits the federal seizing agency to forfeit the property without judicial involvement. The authority for a seizing agency to start an administrative forfeiture action is found in the Tariff Act of 1930, 19 U.S.C. ยง 1607. Property that can be administratively forfeited is: merchandise the importation of which is prohibited; a conveyance used to import, transport, or store a controlled substance; a monetary instrument; or other property that does not exceed $500,000 in value.

Source: A Guide to Equitable Sharing of Federally Forfeited Property for State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies, U.S. Department of Justice, March 1994.
Updated February 1, 2017


Here's local and State!
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/asset-forfeiture-laws-by-state.html

Then there is the Jeff Session's Plan.
Federal vs. State Law

In 2017, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced a plan to bring back a federal program known as the "Equitable Sharing Program." Under this program, state and local police agencies can collaborate with federal agencies to seize assets from individuals and then transfer those seizures to federal control. In doing so, local agencies can skirt some state-level regulations limiting forfeitures. The federal government eventually takes all the funds and sends 80 percent back to the state agency itself. This method has been sharply criticized for circumventing state laws in some cases.
  

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Reply #44 - 02/13/18 at 07:13:15
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ZeWazir wrote on 02/12/18 at 22:13:18:
Thing is, under a CONSTITUTIONAL government, there IS no difference until the money is PROVEN in a court of law, through full and complete due process, to be drug money, or money derived through whatever crime a person is accused of. Until then it is the money of an INNOCENT CITIZEN.

Civil Asset Forfeiture, the money is illicit until proven innocent, and even then it can be withheld. That is wrong. It is a CRIME on the part of our government, and I don't care what "crime fighting" excuser they use. It is WRONG. And anyone who defends it is just one more enemy for me to fight when it comes time to take down the tyranny.


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