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Reply #10 - 03/10/18 at 08:58:14
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I would love to see your evidence that isn't an editorial or opinion piece, but actual evidence support by research.

Bush even tried to tax things at 30% and it didnt last 10 months.
It takes years to rebuild a manufacturing sector and this whole thing will be shut down by retaliatory penalties long
before the industry could recover.

Additionally, when was the last time you went to a steel mill? Look at Gary Works as an example. Back in the '70s they had like 40,000 employees. Today? Less than 5,000. Some of this is due to dumping problems, but the biggest problem is automation.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9701.2005.00722.x/abstract


Good grief! History - American and otherwise - rife with data concerning the economics of Nationalism vs. Globalism.

Just a couple of days ago, Patrick J. Buchanan exploited a portion of the this empirical data that’s available, as this subject is right in his wheelhouse.

“Since Bush I, we have run $12 trillion in trade deficits, and, in the first decade in this century, we lost 55,000 factories and 6,000,000 manufacturing jobs.”

Job losses/gains will occur, for sure. And “automation” is not restricted to only our economy/manufacturining. So I ask myself, which side of the ledger would you prefer those “gains” to take place, the one that benefits America and her national security, orour enemies who seek to dethrone America as a world class economic power?

For sure it will take time to restore America to a manufacturing giant. It is a process, as history bears witness. But that certainly is no reason to shy away from doing so, but for getting started ASAP!
  
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Re: In Triumph for Economic Nationalism, Trump Imposes Sweeping Metals Tariffs
Reply #11 - 03/10/18 at 09:13:43
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WMK wrote on 03/10/18 at 08:58:14:
Good grief! History - American and otherwise - rife with data concerning the economics of Nationalism vs. Globalism.

Just a couple of days ago, Patrick J. Buchanan exploited a portion of the this empirical data that’s available, as this subject is right in his wheelhouse.

“Since Bush I, we have run $12 trillion in trade deficits, and, in the first decade in this century, we lost 55,000 factories and 6,000,000 manufacturing jobs.”

Job losses/gains will occur, for sure. However, which side of the ledger would you prefer those “gains” to take place, the one that benefits America and her national security, orour enemies who seek to dethrone America as a world class economic power?

For sure it will take time to restore America to a manufacturing giant. It is a process, as history bears witness. But that certainly is  reason to shy away from doing so. So we’d better get started ASAP!

For this to happen Unions will have to be kept out!!!!! Nothing wrong with job security and an honest days pay for an honest days work! But you can't pay these jobs the same as a doctor and expect the jobs to stay in America. Which is the reason many of these jobs disappeared to begin with.
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Reply #12 - 03/10/18 at 09:26:20
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The Stranger wrote on 03/10/18 at 09:13:43:
For this to happen Unions will have to be kept out!!!!! Nothing wrong with job security and an honest days pay for an honest days work! But you can't pay these jobs the same as a doctor and expect the jobs to stay in America. Which is the reason many of these jobs disappeared to begin with.
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I don’t disagree.
That said, it is only when the seed of ‘greed/power begin to incubate within labor movements, or corporate structures, that the worker eventually gets the short end of the stick, if any end at all Angry
  
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Reply #13 - 03/10/18 at 09:48:12
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WMK wrote on 03/10/18 at 09:26:20:
I don’t disagree.
That said, it is only when the seed of ‘greed/power begin to incubate within labor movements, or corporate structures, that the worker eventually gets the short end of the stick, if any end at all Angry

The amazing part is the liberals/dems all support the greedy unions then whine about the greedy business owners. It goes both ways but the business always wins by moving operations someplace cheaper.
I had family who worked for GM and the meat industry back in the 70's and early 80's! They were making 2-3 times the average pay. LOL!! Some forty yrs later are still unemployed and swear the dems will bring back their jobs that are long lost.
  

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Reply #14 - 03/10/18 at 16:46:42
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WMK wrote on 03/10/18 at 08:17:26:
Here’s a novel idea: How about America start taking a look at the ‘bottom line’ prices others countries are marketing our exported goods for, and reciprocate. Whatever their ‘markup’ by whatever means, we oblige them in similar fashion.


Sounds good to me, with the exception that you'd be creating more government jobs...
  

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Freightdog wrote on 03/10/18 at 16:46:42:
Sounds good to me, with the exception that you'd be creating more government jobs...


Not necessarily, unless of course you have a RINO like “W” at the helm - TSA.
  
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Reply #16 - 03/11/18 at 11:34:45
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Freightdog wrote on 03/09/18 at 03:45:09:
You have a right to your opinion, and I don't have to agree with it. I think it's the right move. We have been screwed for decades on our trade deals, and it's way past time to retaliate. The japanese, and chinese have been dumping government backed cheap crap on us for a very long time. They do it to destroy our capabilities, and then own the market. Yet when we export to them, they either put tariffs on what we send, or make it so expensive that no one buys our products. I could give you examples, but I am sure you wouldn't listen...


The Japanese have not been dumping cheap products on us since the 50's and 60's.  Most Chinese products are not cheap either but I will admit some are.
  
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Freightdog wrote on 09. Mar 2018 at 03:45:
You have a right to your opinion, and I don't have to agree with it. I think it's the right move. We have been screwed for decades on our trade deals, and it's way past time to retaliate. The japanese, and chinese have been dumping government backed cheap crap on us for a very long time. They do it to destroy our capabilities, and then own the market. Yet when we export to them, they either put tariffs on what we send, or make it so expensive that no one buys our products. I could give you examples, but I am sure you wouldn't listen...

killermccoy wrote on 03/11/18 at 11:34:45:
The Japanese have not been dumping cheap products on us since the 50's and 60's.  Most Chinese products are not cheap either but I will admit some are.


Who said anything about the 50's and 60's??? Go back to bed, you're dreaming...  Grin
  

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Reply #18 - 03/11/18 at 12:35:42
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Name something cheap from Japan.
  
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Re: In Triumph for Economic Nationalism, Trump Imposes Sweeping Metals Tariffs
Reply #19 - 03/11/18 at 15:14:16
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killermccoy wrote on 03/11/18 at 12:35:42:
Name something cheap from Japan.


Uh..........A Japanese Hooker?
  

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