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Re: Facts and Myths About Our Military--
Reply #10 - 03/25/18 at 21:50:23
 
oldcoot wrote on 03/25/18 at 20:49:26:

Thank you!  I respect you as well.  If I didn't I'd probably call you horrible names  Grin ---But, as I said, after all, I am a gentleman.  Grin

I did not call Trump a loser. I have said several times on multiple threads that I I still support him, but I do consider his signing the omnibus bill a mistake and a betrayal of promises.

Other have called him a loser. But considering other posts by the same people, the last thing I'd accuse them of is being demoncrap. (democrats)  A bit harsh in their judgement, but not democrat.

Side note - my comments at home are such that the last time I told my daughter she was making decisions like a progressive, she cried. Made me feel like a real heel.
  
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Reply #11 - 03/25/18 at 22:08:52
 
Hmmm, just this last Friday, the F-35C complete carrier qualifiaction trials on the USS Abraham Lincoln.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=104832

I have heard it has been a miserable failure in CAS missions, though.  Not really surprised.  I may not be any kind of engineer, but I know the VAST differences between the multitude of air combat roles, (MY MOS had me tracking enemy military capabilities) and trying to put everything except the intercept fighter role into a single aircraft is, IMO, a fools errand. And by the time they add all the bells and high tech whistles, plus development time, it does anything BUT save us money over developing three or four more specialized aircraft.

Besides, the Warthog is one of my favorite aircraft. Wanted to fly them, but my rotten teeth disqualified me as a military pilot.  Undecided
  
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Reply #12 - 03/25/18 at 22:22:20
 
ZeWazir wrote on 03/25/18 at 22:08:52:
Hmmm, just this last Friday, the F-35C complete carrier qualifiaction trials on the USS Abraham Lincoln.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=104832

I have heard it has been a miserable failure in CAS missions, though.  Not really surprised.  I may not be any kind of engineer, but I know the VAST differences between the multitude of air combat roles, (MY MOS had me tracking enemy military capabilities) and trying to put everything except the intercept fighter role into a single aircraft is, IMO, a fools errand. And by the time they add all the bells and high tech whistles, plus development time, it does anything BUT save us money over developing three or four more specialized aircraft.

Exactly! The worst part is, much of the extended functionality that was required of the platform actually ended up working against it. The advantage of the 35 was supposed to be stealth functionality, but in many of the required missions it ended up not having enough fuel reserves for extended range/loiter times. So what did they do? Add external fuel tanks that completely defeat the point of the internal weapons bay and stealth functionality. Same problem with having to utilize hardpoints, it increase the radar cross section of the F-35 dramatically.

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Besides, the Warthog is one of my favorite aircraft.

You and me both brother. From the moment they started talking about replacing the A-10 we all knew it was a bad idea. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
  
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Re: Facts and Myths About Our Military--
Reply #13 - 03/25/18 at 22:52:26
 
oldcoot wrote on 03/25/18 at 15:01:33:
--Egads!  Suddenly we're swamped with democrats invading a conservative forum, attempting to convince us the man we elected is either a loser; a dummy, or a letch--or all three!

What I suspect is, he's simply a guy doing the best he can against a loaded deck.
Ever dive into a swift river current, or a riptide in the ocean?  If you have, you'll have some idea of what he's struggling with.
For a true conservative (such as those here who claim to be) to demand 8 years work in one is not just stupid, it's moronic!

Take, for example, our military.  Several of our members think our military is the most powerful in the world, because we have something like 8700 Abrams tanks.  One question:  Do we have 8700 tank drivers?
Sure, we have some serious weapons, just like we did at the Chosin reservoir, where some of our crack Marines got their butts kicked by a FAR superior number of Chinese troops.  Doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the Marines, or their equipment.  They killed one helluva lot of people---but they were simply overwhelmed.

With that being said, how does our military fair today?
Well, it's not the super power I WISH it was.  Obama has seen to that.
Here are just a few instances that demonstrate how small our military is, thanks to that con man the dems elected:

Lindsey Graham: Army is smallest since 1940, Navy smallest since 1915

Pentagon Plans to Shrink Army to Pre-World War II Level]

How Obama Shrank the military

So I still believe POTUS did the right thing by making military priority one.  After all, at the end of Obama's term in 2017, do any of you critics really believe we've had a chance to repair what Obutthead destroyed?

I'd say it's going to take a minimum of 4 years (with one gone) to rebuild our strength.
Let me emphasis again, my original point.  One F35 can't kill 10 Russian F-37.  (And we can't be sure it can do it, one-on-one!)
Take a look--Popular Mechanics is even talking about it.
Popular Mechanics/
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I'm with ya here OC, although I would have called them never-trumpers instead of democrats. As far as Trump being a loser, I've already posted on that as being BS. Trump should be judged by his complete record so far, and not just this one bill. Yeah, most of us were pissed about it, but taking everything into account he's done a pretty good job so far considering he's only been in office a year and 3 months...  Wink
  

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Re: Facts and Myths About Our Military--
Reply #14 - 03/26/18 at 00:08:06
 
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Exactly! The worst part is, much of the extended functionality that was required of the platform actually ended up working against it. The advantage of the 35 was supposed to be stealth functionality, but in many of the required missions it ended up not having enough fuel reserves for extended range/loiter times. So what did they do? Add external fuel tanks that completely defeat the point of the internal weapons bay and stealth functionality. Same problem with having to utilize hardpoints, it increase the radar cross section of the F-35 dramatically.

You and me both brother. From the moment they started talking about replacing the A-10 we all knew it was a bad idea. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Realistically, the A10 does need some fixing.  Manpack SAMs have come a long way in the last 20 years. Better guidance, smarter warheads, better range. Chinese have one every bit as good as our best.

Warhogs can still punch 30mm or larger holes through any armored vehicle they fly against, even our best equipped M1A2 Abrams. But they can't do much of anything they're blotted from the sky as soon as they show up.

The eggheads in the think tanks, those with large foreheads and no love life, need to come up with dependable countermeasures they can add to the A10, give it more survivability on the modern battlefield. Stealth (ie: F-35) ain't gonna do the job in situations where the enemy can see you with naked eyeballs anyway.
  
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Reply #15 - 03/26/18 at 01:28:08
 
ZeWazir wrote on 03/26/18 at 00:08:06:
Manpack SAMs have come a long way in the last 20 years. Better guidance, smarter warheads, better range. Chinese have one every bit as good as our best.


This is such a good point. The Russians and Chinese have been really efficient at spending their R&D budgets. We dump billions into a new fighter and then the Russians develop new SAM systems to counter it, and the Chinese develop better ECM. It costs a whole hell of a lot less to pump out a new SA-21 upgrade than it does to bring a new F-22 onboard. The Chinese do the same thing with all their ECM/Jamming equipment.
  
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Re: Facts and Myths About Our Military--
Reply #16 - 03/26/18 at 12:33:53
 
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Using the military to justify this pork laden garbage is a farce. This is just going to end up making some defense contractor richer while doing nothing for actual functional military might.
Defense Contractors are a necessary evil.  Without them, you'd have been flying kites, perhaps, your whole career.

I fail to understand why you think you are lecturing me on something you obviously don't fully understand. You literally confused a movie prop with some kind of skunkworks project.

Think what you will.  I am not required to list my accomplishments to prove anything to you.  Frankly, (Scarlet), I think you're only purpose on this board is to be contrary.

If my posts bother you, I'd suggest you hit the "ignore" button.
I will continue to post as I see fit, until shut down by one or more forum bosses.  As it is, I am done with this subject.
  

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Reply #17 - 03/26/18 at 15:24:05
 
oldcoot wrote on 03/26/18 at 12:33:53:
Think what you will.  I am not required to list my accomplishments to prove anything to you.  Frankly, (Scarlet), I think you're only purpose on this board is to be contrary.

If my posts bother you, I'd suggest you hit the "ignore" button.
I will continue to post as I see fit, until shut down by one or more forum bosses.  As it is, I am done with this subject.



You are clearly ignorant about a topic you are pretending to have a firm understanding of. You literally mistook a MOVIE PROP for an actual military aircraft. You then proceed to try and engage in a game of one-upmanship by listing things from Wikipedia/google searches. Your attempt at condescension is embarrassing because you are the one making a fool of yourself with a clear lack of understanding of the topic. The irony of you creating a thread called "Facts and Myths about our Military" is hilarious, as you are the one propagating myths. Keep making baseless claims and dismissing any real inquiry to where your knowledge base comes from, your ignorance is showing  Wink
  
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Re: Facts and Myths About Our Military--
Reply #18 - 03/26/18 at 20:20:40
 
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You are clearly ignorant about a topic you are pretending to have a firm understanding of. You literally mistook a MOVIE PROP for an actual military aircraft. You then proceed to try and engage in a game of one-upmanship by listing things from Wikipedia/google searches. Your attempt at condescension is embarrassing because you are the one making a fool of yourself with a clear lack of understanding of the topic. The irony of you creating a thread called "Facts and Myths about our Military" is hilarious, as you are the one propagating myths. Keep making baseless claims and dismissing any real inquiry to where your knowledge base comes from, your ignorance is showing  Wink


Go ahead.  You may have the last word. 
Incidentally I am much more familiar with Skunk works than you, I'm willing to bet.

Peace be upon your pointy little head, my friend.  I really am done with this subject---finally. Roll Eyes Grin
  

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Reply #19 - 03/27/18 at 10:04:34
 
oldcoot wrote on 03/26/18 at 20:20:40:
Go ahead.  You may have the last word. 
Incidentally I am much more familiar with Skunk works than you, I'm willing to bet.

Peace be upon your pointy little head, my friend.  I really am done with this subject---finally. Roll Eyes Grin


Hahahaha, you really are the worst kind of special. So, after making it abundantly clear that you are not knowledgeable on this topic you now proceed to claim affiliation with Skunk Works? I call BS on your whole damn story and even have serious doubts you were ever even in the military.
  
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