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Reply #50 - 04/15/18 at 19:10:26
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We have never said we were interested in regime change in Syria.

We blew it in Iran when the Shah, sick with cancer, came here for a cure--and died.  We did nothing to impede the installation of the religious nuts in Iran--yet we knew the Iranian people wanted us to help them.

With all the talk about "nation building", I have yet to see a nation we have "built".  If they exist, they're minuscule.

If we were really nation building, does anybody think SA wouldn't consist of democratic countries?

So what countries are "nation building"?  How about China's country grabbing?  Or Russia, swallowing Hungary, Poland, etc., until we forced them to give them up?

Germany and Japan are nations we changed for the better, by overthrowing the fascist cancers controlling them.

I just wish we could cure our OWN country of the socialist cancer we are inflicted with, now.
  

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Reply #52 - 04/15/18 at 19:24:57
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Naturalized-Texan wrote on 04/15/18 at 14:03:30:
You appear to be saying that America should go back to pre-WWII isolationism. That is clearly impossible in today's world where nearly every action by any nation has world-wide imeplications.

America was NEVER an “isolationist” country! That canard has been used more over the last couple of decades than ever before.
America was always open for trade with other countries, while having the wisdom to not get involved in other nations qwabbles.
  
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WMK wrote on 04/15/18 at 19:24:57:
America was NEVER an “isolationist” country! That canard has been used more over the last couple of decades than ever before.
America was always open for trade with other countries, while having the wisdom to not get involved in other nations qwabbles.

America's isolationism occurred well within my lifetime of nearly 86 years, in the late 1930s. Unfortunately, many (most?) of those isolationists were actually sympathetic to Hitler's Nazism and/or Mussolini'a Fascism.

More recently, we have had isolationist politicians like Ron and Rand Paul.
  

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Reply #54 - 04/15/18 at 21:03:46
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My take on this is, other than wiping out ISIS, and protecting Israel, we should let the middle east fight their own wars between each other. We have done nothing but make it worse, for the most part. Replacing Saddam Husein did nothing for Iraq, but give Iran more influence in that country. Going after Qaddafi, was a waste of our time and resources. Meddling in Egypt encouraged the muslim brotherhood, fortunately the military took that country back.

Sure these people were dictators, but they were only a menace to their own countrymen predominately. Assad is pretty much the same. One thing most of these dictators had/have in common was that they kept the terrorists at bay. It seems that the only way the middle east can be kept at "peace" is through dictatorship. Perhaps that has to do with their religion, more than anything else. It also seems that every time a country tries to help those folks out of their dictatorship, their leaders get replaced with muslim nutcases like the "leaders" of Iran.

Knowing the above, it's probably best to leave Assad in power in Syria...  Undecided
  

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Reply #55 - 04/15/18 at 23:02:56
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Naturalized-Texan wrote on 04/15/18 at 20:28:08:
America's isolationism occurred well within my lifetime of nearly 86 years, in the late 1930s. Unfortunately, many (most?) of those isolationists were actually sympathetic to Hitler's Nazism and/or Mussolini'a Fascism.
More recently, we have had isolationist politicians like Ron and Rand Paul.

Your application of the term “isolationist” is the same which neocons try to imply when their opposition questions getting involved in all international affairs i.e. ME.
Definition of isolationism: a policy of national isolation by abstention from alliances and other international political and economic relations.

America has ALWAYS had economic relations with various countries of the world. That’s how they became an industrial giant such as the world has never seen before.
Refusing to get involved in geo-political skirmishes alone does not equate to “isolationism.” 
  
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Reply #56 - 04/15/18 at 23:14:20
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Freightdog wrote on 04/15/18 at 21:03:46:
My take on this is, other than wiping out ISIS, and protecting Israel, we should let the middle east fight their own wars between each other. We have done nothing but make it worse, for the most part. Replacing Saddam Husein did nothing for Iraq, but give Iran more influence in that country. Going after Qaddafi, was a waste of our time and resources. Meddling in Egypt encouraged the muslim brotherhood, fortunately the military took that country back.

Sure these people were dictators, but they were only a menace to their own countrymen predominately. Assad is pretty much the same. One thing most of these dictators had/have in common was that they kept the terrorists at bay. It seems that the only way the middle east can be kept at "peace" is through dictatorship. Perhaps that has to do with their religion, more than anything else. It also seems that every time a country tries to help those folks out of their dictatorship, their leaders get replaced with muslim nutcases like the "leaders" of Iran.

Knowing the above, it's probably best to leave Assad in power in Syria...  Undecided


When a nation believes it can change a foreign culture that has existed for thousands of years, they are setting themselves for an epic fall.
Why is it that “dictators” who come to power in the ME region are violent, even brutal? Because that’s what it takes to subdue their people and maintain order. Theirs has been a culture of violence and warring factions long before America was even a thought.

 
  
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Reply #57 - 04/16/18 at 07:21:27
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Think this was a waste of good expensive missles. Just a diversion from Mueller. I voted for Trump so we could get out of foreign conflicts, not start a new one. ; Angry
  
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Re: Breaking! Trump Orders Precision Strikes on Syria-
Reply #58 - 04/16/18 at 07:34:50
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I read in a book back in the 90's, don't remember it it was a long time ago.
Anyway it was and I think true today that if we get into a prolonged real war with russia or china or today even NK where thousands will be deployed and fight we are toast. Much of our equipment's parts is bought from overseas including parts for our tanks, airplanes and much of out military machinery. I don't want to hear we can retool like WWII and turn car plants into tank plants or silicon valley into electronic parts for our equipment. With today's technology it would take yrs not months like during WWII where we had a head start anyway from helping Europe in the 30's.
  

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Reply #59 - 04/16/18 at 09:59:04
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WMK wrote on 04/15/18 at 23:02:56:
Your application of the term “isolationist” is the same which neocons try to imply when their opposition questions getting involved in all international affairs i.e. ME.
Definition of isolationism: a policy of national isolation by abstention from alliances and other international political and economic relations.

However, the Paul's, Ron and Rand, are typical 1930s isolationist nuts!
  

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