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Reply #10 - 06/04/18 at 16:34:49
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We have a similar case (Flower Arrangements for a gay wedding) in WA State from a few years ago that was decided in favor of the gay couple. From what I remember the legal costs had pretty much run them out of business. I hope the Supreme Court also takes on this case. They pretty much got railroaded from the leftist courts in WA State.
  
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Reply #11 - 06/04/18 at 16:58:30
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Fishman wrote on 06/04/18 at 16:34:49:
We have a similar case (Flower Arrangements for a gay wedding) in WA State from a few years ago that was decided in favor of the gay couple. From what I remember the legal costs had pretty much run them out of business. I hope the Supreme Court also takes on this case. They pretty much got railroaded from the leftist courts in WA State.

Baronelle Stutzman - Arlene’s Flowers - her case comes up next.  The ADF is defending her too.

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Reply #12 - 06/04/18 at 18:55:17
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newt2008 wrote on 06/04/18 at 16:58:30:
Baronelle Stutzman - Arlene’s Flowers - her case comes up next.  The ADF is defending her too.

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Nice, thanks for the info...
  
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Reply #13 - 06/04/18 at 19:18:50
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In Oregon there is a business - a bakery - that was destroyed over this issue.  I wonder if this decision gives them any recourse..

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/court-rules-against-oregon-bakers-who-re...

  

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Reply #14 - 06/04/18 at 19:39:08
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Bob S wrote on 06/04/18 at 19:18:50:
In Oregon there is a business - a bakery - that was destroyed over this issue.  I wonder if this decision gives them any recourse..

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/court-rules-against-oregon-bakers-who-re...


The “narrowness” of the ruling likely means it only refers to Jack Phillips/Masterpeice Cakeshop. It however sets a precedent for the Kleins, the Huguenins, the Odgaards and the Giffords etc. all of whom received pretty much the same treatment/judgement as Mr. Phillips. It’s going  to be interesting to see where the Court comes down when it hears Baronelle Stutzman’s case. It’s hard to see how they can decide any of these other cases any differently.

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Reply #15 - 06/04/18 at 20:37:42
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The "narrow ruling" refers to the fact that the decision was based on elements that were basically unique to the individual case. Specifically, the Colorado Human Rights Commission put out some statements which were blatantly biased against religion, so their judgement was set aside as being prejudicial.

However, because the SCOTUS focussed the basis of their decision on the specific actions of the CHRC, it pretty much leaves the door open for others to screw over practicing Christians with a "do it our way or go out of business", just as long as they do it with "respectful" language.   It was a win for the good guys, but not a major win, because the actual principle of whether Christian business owners can be forced by the State to violate their religious precepts in order to not "discriminate" was not addressed in this decision.
  
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Reply #16 - 06/05/18 at 01:00:32
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    I predict the two gay guys (who went out of their gay way to cause all this) will break up now that it's over.
    A quote about homosexuals:
    One point of this website is to have a discussion about healthy lesbian relationships. It’s especially relevant now that we have achieved marriage equality in the United States (and many other countries). Some data that has come out of Europe, as well as other sociological studies, have shown a consistent pattern of very high break up rates (much higher than for heterosexuals or gay men even) between female same-sex couples in live in, civil union, and domestic partnership type arrangements.
     In reality, gay men break up as much as homo women, they just don't report it as often.
  
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Reply #17 - 06/05/18 at 06:13:12
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ZeWazir wrote on 06/04/18 at 20:37:42:
The "narrow ruling" refers to the fact that the decision was based on elements that were basically unique to the individual case. Specifically, the Colorado Human Rights Commission put out some statements which were blatantly biased against religion, so their judgement was set aside as being prejudicial.

However, because the SCOTUS focussed the basis of their decision on the specific actions of the CHRC, it pretty much leaves the door open for others to screw over practicing Christians with a "do it our way or go out of business", just as long as they do it with "respectful" language.   It was a win for the good guys, but not a major win, because the actual principle of whether Christian business owners can be forced by the State to violate their religious precepts in order to not "discriminate" was not addressed in this decision.


Yes, the ruling was narrow based on the Colorado Human Rights treatment.

Also, it was based on the "artistic" element of the case.  Perhaps a freedom of speech thing.  I don't think there was a refusal to bake a cake.  It was that he wouldn't decorate it to reflect a gay couple marrying.  There he invoked his religious freedom, as he won't decorate for Halloween either.

So the legal analysis is that it is a one case decision and not broadly applicable.  So another case can come up and get the decision on ITS merits.  They will keep trying to come up with something.  But it still might make SOME think twice.

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Reply #18 - 06/05/18 at 08:15:31
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newt2008 wrote on 06/04/18 at 11:46:52:
I believe “narrow” refers to the point/s on which the case was decided. Of course, considering the absence of a command of the English language by today’s “journalists”, the confusion is to be expected.

Ms. Borelli


It has been Constitutionally Established that "Narrow" refers to the intellect of the Left.  Smiley
  
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Reply #19 - 06/05/18 at 08:21:13
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From what I understand, the ruling only applies to this Baker having his rights trampled by agencies in Colorado and does not give other bakers, or anyone else, any additional rights to refuse service.  == Is this what you got from this?
  
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