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Re: Supreme Court rules in favor of baker.....
Reply #20 - 06/05/18 at 08:34:22
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newt2008 wrote on 06/04/18 at 19:39:08:
The “narrowness” of the ruling likely means it only refers to Jack Phillips/Masterpeice Cakeshop. It however sets a precedent for the Kleins, the Huguenins, the Odgaards and the Giffords etc. all of whom received pretty much the same treatment/judgement as Mr. Phillips. It’s going  to be interesting to see where the Court comes down when it hears Baronelle Stutzman’s case. It’s hard to see how they can decide any of these other cases any differently.

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I just heard the baker on Fox and Friends and his attorney concurred with Ms. Newt's assessment of "Narrow".
  
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Reply #21 - 06/05/18 at 09:59:24
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bigmck wrote on 06/05/18 at 08:21:13:
From what I understand, the ruling only applies to this Baker having his rights trampled by agencies in Colorado and does not give other bakers, or anyone else, any additional rights to refuse service.  == Is this what you got from this?


I wish you were wrong but I'm afraid you are right. I guess we will find out once the next case goes in front of the SC.
  
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Reply #22 - 06/05/18 at 10:14:13
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ZeWazir wrote on 06/04/18 at 20:37:42:
The "narrow ruling" refers to the fact that the decision was based on elements that were basically unique to the individual case. Specifically, the Colorado Human Rights Commission put out some statements which were blatantly biased against religion, so their judgement was set aside as being prejudicial.

However, because the SCOTUS focussed the basis of their decision on the specific actions of the CHRC, it pretty much leaves the door open for others to screw over practicing Christians with a "do it our way or go out of business", just as long as they do it with "respectful" language.   It was a win for the good guys, but not a major win, because the actual principle of whether Christian business owners can be forced by the State to violate their religious precepts in order to not "discriminate" was not addressed in this decision.


Yep! That's a good summation.

In their complaints, the left will just conceal their hatred towards Christians.

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The justices, in a 7-2 decision, said the Colorado Civil Rights Commission showed an impermissible hostility toward religion when it found that baker Jack Phillips violated the state's anti-discrimination law by rebuffing gay couple David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012.
  
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Reply #23 - 06/05/18 at 11:25:01
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If a business isn't allowed to set their own standards, what's next?  Who's rights are we breaking with the *No shoes, no shirt, no service*?  Just saying.  This PC has got to be thrown out the window, period!!!
  

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Reply #24 - 06/05/18 at 16:39:27
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bigmck wrote on 06/05/18 at 08:34:22:
I just heard the baker on Fox and Friends and his attorney concurred with Ms. Newt's assessment of "Narrow". 

You mean Ms. Newt knew whereof she spoke? Oh! Glory be!!!!!

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Reply #25 - 06/05/18 at 18:22:26
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My problem with this whole thing is the media propaganda.

The media said the baker did not want to bake a cake.

BUT it was what THEY wanted him to put ON THE CAKE that he objected to in the first place.

Why in the world would anyone watch / listen to mainstream propaganda anymore.  Angry
  

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Reply #26 - 06/07/18 at 15:40:37
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In my eyes it's rather simple. If the baker refuses to make a cake for a same-sex "marriage" due to him not believing such a ceremony is valid then it's within his right to not make the cake. If the baker is refusing his services to all people in a same-sex relationship then it would be a different issue, but this isn't the case. Its' the intent of the item being discriminated against, not necessarily the people who ordered the item.

In all of the cases the party - be it bakers, photographers, farmers - who were sued for not bowing down to a messed up version of equality have shown the opposing party have taken their new found "right" too far. Calls of equating the refusal of service to that of blacks being denied service are logically weak. It's quite the jump to refuse service to make a particular item and what it may represent and equate it as a refusal to allow a black couple a seat at the dinning counter at a restaurant when seats are available. On the surface is may seem similar, but with some thought both incidents are a gulf a part.

  
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Re: Supreme Court rules in favor of baker.....
Reply #27 - 06/07/18 at 18:58:41
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Midwest wrote on 06/07/18 at 15:40:37:
In my eyes it's rather simple. If the baker refuses to make a cake for a same-sex "marriage" due to him not believing such a ceremony is valid then it's within his right to not make the cake. If the baker is refusing his services to all people in a same-sex relationship then it would be a different issue, but this isn't the case. Its' the intent of the item being discriminated against, not necessarily the people who ordered the item.

In all of the cases the party - be it bakers, photographers, farmers - who were sued for not bowing down to a messed up version of equality have shown the opposing party have taken their new found "right" too far. Calls of equating the refusal of service to that of blacks being denied service are logically weak. It's quite the jump to refuse service to make a particular item and what it may represent and equate it as a refusal to allow a black couple a seat at the dinning counter at a restaurant when seats are available. On the surface is may seem similar, but with some thought both incidents are a gulf a part.

The difference is far more fundamental than even many Christian conservatives understand.

One does not choose to be a certain race. (some brain dead progs and their vacuum skulled followers not withstanding) Skin color, being part of race, is also not something which falls under choice.

But, unlike race, homosexuality is a behavior, no matter how they parse the "born that way" rhetoric. In human beings, behavior is not only capable of being under control of the individual, in most instances behavior is EXPECTED to be under control. For instance, in matters of violence, all human are "born that way." But we are expected to control our base urge to reduce certain obnoxious adversaries into blood pudding. Humans are also fundamentally polygamist. Were in not so, cheating on relationships would be non-existent. Yet the same people claiming "discrimination" of your various LGBTXYZIAMAHEDONIST groups have no problems with laws which penalize those who violate their monogamous marriage vows.

Since behavior is, ultimately, expected to be under the control of the individual, then homosexuality is a choice, whether "born" with those leanings or not. As such, there is no such thing as "discrimination" against homosexuality, nor gay marriage. -except in the prog law books which contain no resemblance o reality.
  
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