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Reply #20 - 12/04/18 at 07:26:57
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ConservativeOne wrote on 12/04/18 at 07:13:46:
In politics emotions do ebb and flow. I'll admit that I never thought he would get past Ted Cruz.

I'll put my cards on the table by saying that we all voted for Trump. We all support Trump. We all want to see him succeed and we all want him to be reelected since there is no one out there that cares about this country and the voters as he seem to. Having said that I feel there are plenty of forces working against him and to claim unequivocally that he easily wins after what we just witnessed in the primaries is a bit premature.

The economy is roaring along. The stock market even with it's correction is still above where it was if one stayed in for the long term. Sure if you bought on on Jan 1 and look at your returns today it might not look so rosy. But if you jumped in at the start of Trump's tenure you should be ahead. I am. Yet with all of that and so much much more the voters in many instances turned their backs on good candidates and voted for socialists as well.

IF pointing out reality all while saying that one still supports and wants to see him reelected then I guess I could fail in the category of a "debbie downer". My definition of that is slightly different. I consider a debbie downer or a negative nellie as someone who has no use for Trump, criticizes him at every turn and doesn't want to see him reelected. I don't see myself as falling into that category but if some see my comments as that, I can't help it. I prefer to call 'em as I see 'em.

I sure as hell hope that he runs and wins but I am not prepared at this point to say he has a lock on it with the lunacy of electorate these days. One needs to separate what they want and wish for from the reality of the situation Smiley Are we really now taking Bruce Boxspring as an expert on politics. I agree with is comment that today there isn't a good candiate on paper that can beat Trump but let's not forget that Fraud is what they perfected and it doesn't appear that the GOP is doing anything to counter that as was posted here yesterday.

We shall see. Cool


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   This fora,  of late, has shown a negativity toward DJT very much comparable  to as much as I have ever experienced..JMNSHO..
  

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Re: Trump survives presidency or gets run out?
Reply #21 - 12/04/18 at 07:27:55
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ConservativeOne wrote on 12/04/18 at 07:13:46:
In politics emotions do ebb and flow. I'll admit that I never thought he would get past Ted Cruz.

I'll put my cards on the table by saying that we all voted for Trump. We all support Trump. We all want to see him succeed and we all want him to be reelected since there is no one out there that cares about this country and the voters as he seem to. Having said that I feel there are plenty of forces working against him and to claim unequivocally that he easily wins after what we just witnessed in the primaries is a bit premature.

The economy is roaring along. The stock market even with it's correction is still above where it was if one stayed in for the long term. Sure if you bought on on Jan 1 and look at your returns today it might not look so rosy. But if you jumped in at the start of Trump's tenure you should be ahead. I am. Yet with all of that and so much much more the voters in many instances turned their backs on good candidates and voted for socialists as well.

IF pointing out reality all while saying that one still supports and wants to see him reelected then I guess I could fail in the category of a "debbie downer". My definition of that is slightly different. I consider a debbie downer or a negative nellie as someone who has no use for Trump, criticizes him at every turn and doesn't want to see him reelected. I don't see myself as falling into that category but if some see my comments as that, I can't help it. I prefer to call 'em as I see 'em.

I sure as hell hope that he runs and wins but I am not prepared at this point to say he has a lock on it with the lunacy of electorate these days. One needs to separate what they want and wish for from the reality of the situation Smiley Are we really now taking Bruce Boxspring as an expert on politics. I agree with is comment that today there isn't a good candidate on paper that can beat Trump but let's not forget that fraud is what they perfected and it doesn't appear that the GOP is doing anything to counter that as was posted here yesterday. I believe it's harder to win a national election than a local one and if the House was an indicator then it's not good. I said this as some others did as well...this should have been the midterm that bucked historical trends.

We shall see. Cool


I agree that there is a Huge Difference in being a "Debbie Downer" (a negative term) and being a person who sees "Reality".  =  Yep, this should have been the Mid-Term that bucked past trends, instead it was a 40 seat House loss for the GOP.  It wasn't pretty.  I don't think 2020 will be pretty either. 
  

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Re: Trump survives presidency or gets run out?
Reply #22 - 12/04/18 at 07:30:38
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Wayne wrote on 12/04/18 at 07:26:57:
  If you thought I was singling you out I publicly apologize..
   This fora,  of late, has shown a negativity toward DJT very much comparable  to as much as I have ever experienced..JMNSHO..



Nah, I did't think that you were.  Cool I'm just not quite as optimistic as I once once that Trump is going to be able to pull off the things that I had hoped he would. I have often stated that he's one man up against a huge swamp. For all he has done and tried to do, the swamp seems to win when it wants to and it's pisses me off that he has to fight his own party to get anything done.

Maybe I need a break from politics. Cool
  
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Reply #23 - 12/04/18 at 07:34:45
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ConservativeOne wrote on 12/04/18 at 07:30:38:
Nah, I did't think that you were.  Cool I'm just not quite as optimistic as I once once that Trump is going to be able to pull off the things that I had hoped he would. I have often stated that he's one man up against a huge swamp. For all he has done and tried to do, the swamp seems to win when it wants to and it's pisses me off that he has to fight hos own party to get anything done.

Maybe I need a break from politics. Cool



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Reply #24 - 12/04/18 at 07:37:51
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bigmck wrote on 12/04/18 at 07:27:55:
I agree that there is a Huge Difference in being a "Debbie Downer" (a negative term) and being a person who sees "Reality".  =  Yep, this should have been the Mid-Term that bucked past trends, instead it was a 40 seat House loss for the GOP.  It wasn't pretty.  I don't think 2020 will be pretty either. 


Exactly  Smiley It's great to be a cheerleader but there is also a time to put the pom-poms down and take personal feelings and desires out of it and look at the trends and what we wake up to every morning in the news.  The midterms were a wake up call and unless the GOP does something to counter Democrat tactics they will win by any means they feel is necessary while we play by the rules and hope to pull off a win.

One last dose of reality. It took progressives decades and generations to get to where they are. They are at the precipice in my opinion of starting to bring their plans to fruition. They will do whatever it takes. We had better start realizing that they play for keeps by any means that it takes. Are we seriously... just as one example, going to sit back and watch as boxes of votes seem to always appear after the results are in? Sure it happened before but it was isolated incidents but now they have found the secret to do it in a way that reverses results by large margins across the country. That is how organized they are and all the GOP does is complain about it. Ballot harvesting is another example.

Rant over. Maybe my opinions aren't what some want to hear so perhaps it best that I don't offer them any longer.
  
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Reply #25 - 12/04/18 at 09:41:28
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Wayne wrote on 12/04/18 at 07:26:57:
This fora,  of late, has shown a negativity toward DJT very much comparable  to as much as I have ever experienced..JMNSHO..


I quite agree. The negativity around here has become quite deafening. I do believe a big part of the problem stems from constantly absorbing very fake news hysterical media products. With a 92% negative media coverage it's not surprising at all. If republicans/conservatives would stop whining and actually start doing something then perhaps they would have a different outlook.

I just don't live in a negative world so that perspective is strange to me. As long as I have a President who is willing to and continues to fight I will fight with him. When they rip my freedom out of my cold dead hands then I suppose I would have been defeated. Until then, Molon Labe.

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Reply #26 - 12/04/18 at 10:02:01
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My last comment on this issue is that there is a big difference between being negative and being a realist and have that realism portrayed as negativity or better yet labeling it as being a "never-Trumper" type of thinking because it collides with one's own view of things.

I have yet to see anyone here say anything directly negative about Trump per se. If it happened then I missed it. In fact, I see many say the guy is doing all he can and he has opposition from his own party. It's hardly being negative when pointing out that fact. I would classify remarks that criticize everything he does as negativity but the fact is I don't see that as what happens here. What I see is frustration much like the frustration that I'm sure Trump feels when his own party that should be supporting him is instead hindering him. I also have not seen anyone here who expresses frustration say that they no longer or will no longer support Trump.

I dare say I see many opinions here that I differ with yet I'd like to think that I don't jump on that person with retorts such as "that kind of thinking is something that one would expect from a never Trumper". Nor do I say to those that admit to once being a never Trumper that they can not have  an epiphany and realize that perhaps they were wrong about him. Two people in the media I'd say fit that description. I also don't think that when one expresses that frustration as part of a discussion they should be labeled as someone who listens to the fake media which I have seen done multiple times. It's very easy to read something we don't agree with, fail to offer any actual facts as a counter and then by innuendo or directly say that they are never Trumpers or that are consumed with negativity because they follow fake news. That's presumptuous and pompous. Unless a person says or explains it none of us know what others read or follow when they offer their opinions here.

One reason perhaps why I have taken up this mantle is that all too often a discussion is going on and suddenly one person "flies" in, tells everyone they are wrong. Offers little proof as a counter and then by innuendo says that that person follows fake media and worse by implication they are never Trumpers. Why? Because they put those pom-poms down as I said earlier, took a breath and stated their frustration among "friends" here who should maybe consider offering encouragement instead of taking swipes at them for having a different view?

One persons negativity is another person's statement of reality.
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Reply #27 - 12/04/18 at 10:18:48
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bigmck wrote on 12/03/18 at 17:43:23:
Trump will Survive all Mueller Investigations, but he will "See the Handwriting on the Wall" and know that he will not be elected if he runs in 2020.  He will not run in 2020. 


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Reply #28 - 12/04/18 at 13:34:38
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oldcoot, I'm hoping that's mine.  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy Cheesy
  

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Reply #29 - 12/04/18 at 13:37:25
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I've read this thread, and all I can say is:  President Trump still have two more years before I start worrying one way or the other.  All I can do is pray he runs, and wins.  Cheesy
  

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