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I am gravely concerned
05/21/19 at 20:52:09
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I know little about the Navy, but I am gravely concerned.  Here is the problem and I may well be wrong and stupid…BUT:

The Chinese are a larger Navy that the US, but the US Navy outweighs the ChiComs in tonnage or in common speak our ships are bigger therefore better.  Having said that many battles upon the seas have been won by “Corvettes”, bigger is not always better.  Or as the Iranians said they have enough missiles they can throw at our biggest carrier and they believe Qty wins.

Example:  We take a couple of our baddest Gatling guns, firing 6,000 rds per min and we employ them in Happy Valley which is the most likely place the ChiComs will start a ground war.  The balloon goes up and the ChiComs come at us with rusty guns, sticks ne stones.  We have an endless supply of ammo but they got a endless supply of people.  Guess who wins?

While you are pondering that, study the 13 days at the Alamo.  For 12 days 182 vs 5000+ and ole Davey and Jim Bowie and COL Travis beat them like rented mules.  But on the 13th day Santa Anna changed his approach and he gave the order to “fix bayonets” and they overwhelmed them, not thru firepower, but thru massing on the objective.

Point:  IMO, tonnage does not win.  How many missiles can a carrier defend against?  Or how about 1 small tactical nuke in an airburst or perhaps MOAB in an airburst.

I call this the Golden Corral approach or as we say down here in Texas…’pitch till ya win’.  Stop off at a Golden Corral Buffet and see who wins, it ain’t you, no matter how much you eat the Corral keeps filling the pans.

True story:  I stopped by and had lunch with a friend some years ago and he works building Off shore oil platforms.  There was some steel cable laying in the floor and it was huge.  I asked what it was used for.  North Sea platforms, take big cable for the rough seas there.  I asked, how do you cut that huge cable.  He said it was easy, he does it all the time.  I am guess some magic machine that is huge and costly…no, he uses a hammer and a cold chisel!  WHAT??  Then he showed me, lots of smaller wires to have the flexibility and you the old rule of how do you eat an elephant?  One bite at a time.  He defeats a 500,000 lb breaking strength cable with a hammer and a cold chisel.

I have NEVER bought into the Navy’s battle operations and history is NOT on their side!

The Chinese are preparing for war.  Guess what country controls the world rare earth metals…what country owns a major portion of our Uranium supplies?  Thankyou Clinton, Kerry, Obama…

China Now Has More Warships Than the U.S.
But sometimes quantity doesn't trump quality.


https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27532437/china-now-has-mor...


Rare earth reserves worldwide as of 2018, by country (in 1,000 metric tons REO)*

https://www.statista.com/statistics/277268/rare-earth-reserves-by-country/
  

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Re: I am gravely concerned
Reply #1 - 05/21/19 at 21:16:19
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Good reason to be antsy about all of this.
China does have well over 1-2 million troops.  We "might" have 500K.
Advantage-China.  (And they have no conscience about mass charges, getting many of them killed.)

HOWEVER, as was learned in WW2, when the Japs launched "Banzai" charges, they usually got cut down to the last man by cross-firing automatic weapons.  And that's even if they outnumbered our troops.

In the first place I believe China is probably just posturing.  They love to do it.  Doesn't mean they're going to war.  In fact, if they wanted war, they could have attacked
Taiwan long ago--and won.  Now, it's iffy and expensive if they try.

Don't sell our guys too short.  Air power leads to huge victories on land/sea/air.
Their planes are not superior to ours--yet.

  

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Re: I am gravely concerned
Reply #2 - 05/21/19 at 21:52:28
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oldcoot wrote on 05/21/19 at 21:16:19:
Good reason to be antsy about all of this.
China does have well over 1-2 million troops.  We "might" have 500K.
Advantage-China.  (And they have no conscience about mass charges, getting many of them killed.)

HOWEVER, as was learned in WW2, when the Japs launched "Banzai" charges, they usually got cut down to the last man by cross-firing automatic weapons.  And that's even if they outnumbered our troops.

In the first place I believe China is probably just posturing.  They love to do it.  Doesn't mean they're going to war.  In fact, if they wanted war, they could have attacked
Taiwan long ago--and won.  Now, it's iffy and expensive if they try.

Don't sell our guys too short.  Air power leads to huge victories on land/sea/air.
Their planes are not superior to ours--yet.


Coot you are pretty much right on.  China has a LONG way to go, not sure when was the last time they fought a real war on their own. 

China's ACE card is (you said it) 'no conscience about mass charges', they have the manpower to burn and don't mind smelling the smoke of dead bodies.  Advantage communist dictatorship.

I think they will go to war and intend on doing so...I doubt most of us will be alive to see it.  There has ONLY been 1 country that has not had world domination as its final goal...USA!

With 1.415 Billion mouths to feed they need a lot of what the world has to offer...
  

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Re: I am gravely concerned
Reply #3 - 05/21/19 at 23:41:51
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Two comments​.
1, desert Storm..  ground war is for mopping up.
2. What happened to rare earth find in Afganistan?  Was supposed to be world's largest.  Somebody covering up something. Probably  Halliburton or something.

Edit:. Found it.. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/world/asia/afghanistan-trump-mineral-deposits...
  
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Reply #4 - 05/22/19 at 04:18:36
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Tiananmen square taught the chincks a lesson.  Their military was organized along the old brit regimental system ... fight with your friends and neighbors.  That's why the males of entire villages disappeared in a single battle.  The driver of that tank that was stopped by a single person on foot ... all from the same area.  That entire unit was pulled out and another unit was put in to avoid another situation like that.

In this country, we view china as a monolith of thought and motion.  Why do their carriers have the upward curved deck?  Their catapults do not have enough force to throw the aircraft into the air without that upward vector that the sloped deck gives them.  Great for launching … how about recovery?

I agree about quantity overcoming quality … Tsarist Russia, WW1.  Literally mountains of dead (same same WW2) but what is the impact on moral of the troops … knowing you die either way charging or retreating.

The difference here is … what does the individual soldier have to loose?  If you are a starving peasant … little to nothing.  Anyone with affluence … different story.  Look at how an improved economy changed the USSR.  China's economy is improving … the hoards of machine gun chargers is becoming a thing of the past.
  
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Reply #5 - 05/22/19 at 07:57:41
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We don't fight to win any longer...that's the biggest problem.
  
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Reply #6 - 05/22/19 at 08:40:46
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CO wrote on 05/22/19 at 07:57:41:
We don't fight to win any longer...that's the biggest problem.

BINGO!

If you are trying to blame Haliburton for the issues with China's control of rare earth minerals then I am guessing you are covering up for the Clintons, Kerry and the rest of Obama's admin.

Breaking news (just out Fox News) latest poll on Socialism as of this morning, 43 %  of Americans think its a good thing...

We are at a tipping point FOLKS and some of you either don't get it or don't believe it.

2020 is Trump or it is far left Communist-Socialist crowd.  In my military career '67-'94 has taken action to downplay the military, be it stopping the bombing in Vietnam (I remember it well), decimating the budget and troop strength or using the military as a platform for social reengineering.

IF the far left succeeds in 2020 the military will be crushed.  Any study of history in post-WWII will tell you the biggest mistake the US made was in becoming the cop on the beat for the Free world.  In doing so it allowed the protected countries to go on a social spending binge on socialism and its free welfare state and healthcare.  Now Europe is collapsing under the Free Weight of these programs.

The far left does not see that.  They see if they can, we can.  In order to usher this in, they expect to spend $30-$50 TRILLION dollars.  Not sure where the money is coming from but the biggest cut will come to the military.

Anyone who thinks China does not see this does not understand the Asian mindset.  They are long ball players and they see how America is evolving and they know its gonna be a catastrophic failure leaving the stage empty and devoid of a true world power, enter stage left China!

So China has been stealing our Corp and military tech for years under both the Dems and GOP admins and NO ONE has done a damn thing until Trump.  If the far left gets in China will dance in the street because they know they can MUCK the USA like they had been doing for 40 years.  USA BUILT the China they have!  How do you think they got the $$$$ to build their military?
  

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17Oaks wrote on 05/22/19 at 08:40:46:
BINGO!

If you are trying to blame Haliburton for the issues with China's control of rare earth minerals then I am guessing you are covering up for the Clintons, Kerry and the rest of Obama's admin.

Breaking news (just out Fox News) latest poll on Socialism as of this morning, 43 %  of Americans think its a good thing...

We are at a tipping point FOLKS and some of you either don't get it or don't believe it.

2020 is Trump or it is far left Communist-Socialist crowd.  In my military career '67-'94 has taken action to downplay the military, be it stopping the bombing in Vietnam (I remember it well), decimating the budget and troop strength or using the military as a platform for social reengineering.

IF the far left succeeds in 2020 the military will be crushed.  Any study of history in post-WWII will tell you the biggest mistake the US made was in becoming the cop on the beat for the Free world.  In doing so it allowed the protected countries to go on a social spending binge on socialism and its free welfare state and healthcare.  Now Europe is collapsing under the Free Weight of these programs.

The far left does not see that.  They see if they can, we can.  In order to usher this in, they expect to spend $30-$50 TRILLION dollars.  Not sure where the money is coming from but the biggest cut will come to the military.

Anyone who thinks China does not see this does not understand the Asian mindset.  They are long ball players and they see how America is evolving and they know its gonna be a catastrophic failure leaving the stage empty and devoid of a true world power, enter stage left China!

So China has been stealing our Corp and military tech for years under both the Dems and GOP admins and NO ONE has done a damn thing until Trump.  If the far left gets in China will dance in the street because they know they can MUCK the USA like they had been doing for 40 years.  USA BUILT the China they have!  How do you think they got the $$$$ to build their military?



In a nutshell...every "empire" had it's day. It remains to be seen if our best ones are behind us. It didn't have to be this way but so many sleep walked through the last few decades while the socialists and commies slowly and patiently implemented their plans which are now close to fruition.
  
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CO wrote on 05/22/19 at 08:58:02:
In a nutshell...every "empire" had it's day. It remains to be seen if our best ones are behind us. It didn't have to be this way but so many sleep walked through the last few decades while the socialists and commies slowly and patiently implemented their plans which are now close to fruition.


YOU GET IT!

History is your friend:  Yes every empire HAD its day, keyword HAD.  No empire has ever come back to its heights and glory days it rose to.

2020 may be the fork in the road.  We will either chose the high road or the low road, success going forward or meet our Waterloo.
  

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17Oaks wrote on 05/22/19 at 09:04:57:
YOU GET IT!

History is your friend:  Yes every empire HAD its day, keyword HAD.  No empire has ever come back to its heights and glory days it rose to.

2020 may be the fork in the road.  We will either chose the high road or the low road, success going forward or meet our Waterloo.



I would add that even with Trump's reelection as you pointed out it will only take one cycle where the Democrats win and it's over. Their plans are in place awaiting the signal to implement them.

As to me getting it, I wish more would and be willing to speak out.  It doesn't mean one is against him or won't vote for him again.  This notion that it lends support to his opponents is pure hogwash. No one comes to a place like this reads some criticism of the administration and decides I better not vote for him and then vote Democrat.

Keep in mind that his team no doubt has people scouring sites like this especially ones with the word conservative it to get a pulse of what people say and think. It may do some good but certainly no harm.
  
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