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Re: I am gravely concerned
Reply #20 - 05/22/19 at 20:31:10
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Freightdog wrote on 05/22/19 at 20:17:44:
You have a good point about numbers versus tech, but keep in mind that for the Chinese to actually win the war, they would have to transport all those people and arms to the US, across thousands of miles of ocean. If they accomplish that, after a full on attack from our standing military, they still have to get by an armed nation, and folks who value their freedom. There are 18 million vets out there who would not take kindly to the Chinese taking over...  Wink

NO WAY they will show up on our shores in our lifetime if ever.  IF for no other reason the sheer logistics of trying to put a 1 Million man Army on our shores would at best be a comedy.

But the point is their thinking is they can take out our carriers just by sheer missile mass on target.  I think our Navy is wrong, bigger is not better, history does not show that in the Naval world.

I say more carriers, smaller carriers more agile! 

Lets say they take out 1 Ford class carrier = loss of `6000 sailors and 1/20th of our Naval carrier groups fighting ability.
  

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Reply #21 - 05/23/19 at 03:08:28
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I tend to agree with the smaller, faster, more agile idea. However, I think it would be even better to combine that with the added abilities of a battleship. That way, instead of sending a huge armada to protect the carrier, it would be more capable of defending itself. Kind of a self-sustaining thing. I am retired Air Force, so I don't know the reasoning behind the huge carrier concept. Perhaps they think that the more fighters they have onboard, the better they can sustain an offensive war, and perhaps protect the carrier...  Undecided
  

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Reply #22 - 05/23/19 at 08:24:46
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Freightdog wrote on 05/23/19 at 03:08:28:
I tend to agree with the smaller, faster, more agile idea. However, I think it would be even better to combine that with the added abilities of a battleship. That way, instead of sending a huge armada to protect the carrier, it would be more capable of defending itself. Kind of a self-sustaining thing. I am retired Air Force, so I don't know the reasoning behind the huge carrier concept. Perhaps they think that the more fighters they have onboard, the better they can sustain an offensive war, and perhaps protect the carrier...  Undecided

I am just an Army guy and while tactics and maneuver etc were a major part of my life for over 20 years it was all ground Opns as a combat Infantry soldier.  So maybe I am totally wrong in challenging their thinking.  But any overview of Naval war over the centuries has shown the "Corvette" class as a winner on the seas.

Iran just shrugged it's shoulders and said we will throw missiles at it till one get thru!  It's the machine gun effect:  Throw enough rounds down range and someone gets killed.
  

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Reply #23 - 05/23/19 at 09:49:09
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They can begin to throw, but when the first is detected, I know they will be annihilated
  
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Reply #24 - 05/23/19 at 10:10:00
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IIIPercent wrote on 05/23/19 at 09:49:09:
They can begin to throw, but when the first is detected, I know they will be annihilated

How many can they annihilate before one just ONE gets thru?  Besides they are not intending to fire just one, one at a time!
  

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Reply #25 - 05/24/19 at 00:18:36
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Here's an interesting article on Carriers 170...
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/the-almost-unsinkable-aircraft-carrier/
  

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Reply #26 - 05/24/19 at 06:41:03
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They now have smaller fighter jets without pilots and fly and attack with AI. No humans needed.  Skynet is here.
  
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Reply #27 - 05/24/19 at 06:53:31
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I know next to nothing about naval warfare, but I do know that my nephew who is Navy EOD (Explosive Ordinance Division) has just been transferred and will soon be deployed. Things are most certainly in the works.
  
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Re: I am gravely concerned
Reply #28 - 05/24/19 at 20:49:22
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Freightdog wrote on 05/24/19 at 00:18:36:
Here's an interesting article on Carriers 170...
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/the-almost-unsinkable-aircraft-carrier/

Operation Hailstorm!!!!
  

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Reply #29 - 05/25/19 at 16:44:23
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17Oaks wrote on 05/23/19 at 10:10:00:
How many can they annihilate before one just ONE gets thru?  Besides they are not intending to fire just one, one at a time!


Hell if I know how many will get through. But when they launch it will be the very last thing they do on Earth.

We have spent trillions upon trillions on defensive and offensive weapons, . Do you think we use slingshots?
  
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