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Reply #10 - 10/07/19 at 23:40:23
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Dayton3 wrote on 10/07/19 at 21:36:17:
I find people who predict another American Civil War almost as annoying as those who compare the U.S. to the Roman Empire.



Sadly, there are similarities in history to support both.

  
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Reply #11 - 10/08/19 at 03:49:23
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newt2008 wrote on 10/05/19 at 23:51:02:
See. That right there is the problem. The left makes the ridiculous claim the the President is inciting a civil war and we repeat and “discuss” it. What exactly has the President said or done that is evidence he is inciting a civil war?

Who is out there burning the town down? Who is sending their followers to get in people’s faces? Who has sanctioned harassing and beating up people for wearing red hats? Where is the violence from Trump supporters? Where is it?

We need to stop accepting the premise of the left. They want a civil war. I don’t they really understand what they are dealing with.

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Reply #12 - 10/08/19 at 10:33:08
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Hellsbane wrote on 10/07/19 at 23:40:23:
Sadly, there are similarities in history to support both.



Barely.
  
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Reply #13 - 10/08/19 at 11:18:48
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The Stranger wrote on 10/06/19 at 07:47:08:
There will never be a civil war.
If those cave to giving up their 2nd amendment rights do nothing who do you think will be the first to fire a shot at the police or military?

I think there will be some, but it will be sporadic and the media will successfully portray them as traitors, insane, white supremacists, etc.

There won't be a large enough effort to convince any part of LEO or military to ditch their careers and paychecks, to help out.  Those guys need to put food on the table too; they won't throw in with just a few random groups that try to do something.

Especially when the media and friends have 100% control of the narrative that brands any resistance as racist treason.

Can't do anything about people in the Obama WH selling out directly out to China, Russia, Ukraine, UK, Australia, EU, UN, etc...... with all the evidence and proof in the world.

But they will (as Negan said in the Walking Dead) "shut that sh1t down" as soon as somebody conservative takes a pot shot at a gun-confiscationg agent.
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Re: If Trump brings on a civil war......
Reply #14 - 10/08/19 at 14:49:52
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Dayton3 wrote on 10/07/19 at 21:36:17:
I find people who predict another American Civil War almost as annoying as those who compare the U.S. to the Roman Empire.


Ha!  Some say we are actually in a Civil War right now! A political Civil War which is lead by the liberal left wing nut jobs in Congress. They are not governing but instead on constant attack to oust a duly elected president with hogwash and a pack of lies.... Most of these leftists are closer to being communists than actual democrats.
  
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Reply #15 - 10/08/19 at 14:56:21
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The Democratic Party has gone full blown Socialist/Communist. They have been working on a coup d’etat since they won the majority in Congress. It’s absolutely horrific, they want the entire nation to be just like California.
  
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Re: If Trump brings on a civil war......
Reply #16 - 10/08/19 at 17:49:16
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Canis Minor wrote on 10/08/19 at 14:56:21:
The Democratic Party has gone full blown Socialist/Communist. They have been working on a coup d’etat since they won the majority in Congress. It’s absolutely horrific, they want the entire nation to be just like California.

I think if we look back we'll find that resignations of guys like Ryan, Corker, Flake, and many others was a part of handing the house to the left, to set the table for this nonsense.

They would rather give up their careers than allow somebody like Trump to get in the way of the payola, graft, cheating, stealing.
  
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Re: If Trump brings on a civil war......
Reply #17 - 10/08/19 at 18:29:42
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[quote author=595A525E5F555D59444F0006360 link=1570330691/16#16 date=1570571356]
I think if we look back we'll find that resignations of guys like Ryan, Corker, Flake, and many others was a part of handing the house to the left, to set the table for this nonsense.

They would rather give up their careers than allow somebody like Trump to get in the way of the payola, graft, cheating, stealing.[/quote

Exactly!  The swamp is a Ponzi Scheme. Poor description I know but just look how these middle class do nothing’s go in with nothing and come out millionaires.  They could care less about us,
only in enriching themselves.  Trump didn’t need this, he’s trying to save our country and clean up this stink hole.
  
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Reply #18 - 10/09/19 at 08:16:56
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As clumsy and as prone to play into the hands of the Left as Trump is, he will not bring on a civil war.  At the moment, American military, who would be decisive in a civil war situation, do not feel deeply alienated from the Democratic Party. Alienated, yes, but not deeply enough not to support the side with democratic legitimacy. And the Democrats will not move without having at least a strong semblance of democratic legitimacy on their side.

Suppose there is actually a vote to impeach Trump in the House, which is then sent to the Senate.

Democratic legitimacy will lie with how the Senate votes. If they vote to impeach and Trump does not step down, then the Left have democratic legitimacy. If not, not.

At this point in time, the military, and most Americans, will go with whoever has democratic legitimacy.

The whole focus of the Right over the next few years must be on attaining democratic legitimacy for whatever it does. If it does not have this, then it will lose and lose big, in any 'civil war' type confrontation. If it can get this, then the losers will be on the Left.

There is, among certain people on the Right, the totally unjustified belief that the majority of Americans are really deep committed conservatives.  This is unfortunately not true.

There is a broad middle ---  30 to 50 percent of the population -- who are neither on the Left or on the Right. Winning the support/neutrality of this group is the key to political victory.

This has to be done in many ways, over the next few years. The most powerful weapon we have is patriotism. The most powerful weapon the Left has is the charge of 'racism'.

We need to have many discussions on this board of how to carry out winning tactics, to split and divide and demoralize the Left, to win the middle into at least passive support or neutrality, and to unite the various factions of the Right around projects we can all agree on that will advance the common cause.
  
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Re: If Trump brings on a civil war....
Reply #19 - 10/09/19 at 08:59:08
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Canis Minor wrote on 10/06/19 at 05:44:44:
Exactly! You just hit the nail on the head there.

The desire for  violence and destruction is coming directly from the Liberal Left. Just take a look at history, Socialism/Communism has caused the slaughter of far, far more people then even Hitler and the Nazis! The murder under Stalin and Chairman Mao reached into the 100's of thousands.


  

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