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Re: Chicago teachers strike
Reply #30 - 10/18/19 at 12:07:10
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Hellsbane wrote on 10/18/19 at 10:53:45:
Machines are machines. Garbage in = garbage out. People have to know what to do when machines glitch out. Dependence on machines to do your thinking for you is as bad as depending on government to properly run your life.


Can’t do anything about “garbage in” because that’s a human factor.  Machines don’t think for you ... not yet, anyway ... they simply provide information.   I don’t know about you, but I look up information hundreds of times a day ... book research, history questions, exchange rates, travel questions, medical information, gardening, the list is endless.
  
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Reply #31 - 10/18/19 at 12:35:29
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Chortovka wrote on 10/18/19 at 12:07:10:
Can’t do anything about “garbage in” because that’s a human factor.  Machines don’t think for you ... not yet, anyway ... they simply provide information.   I don’t know about you, but I look up information hundreds of times a day ... book research, history questions, exchange rates, travel questions, medical information, gardening, the list is endless. 



I use my pathetically cheap arse computer and skills for things like this, audio books, movies, anime "love anime", but little else. I have tried researching things on subjects like climate change, politics and such, but have yet to be satisfied with the search results. They tend to be one sided.
  
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Re: Chicago teachers strike
Reply #32 - 10/18/19 at 18:02:04
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This song gives a hint what has happened to our schools;

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School days, school days
Dear old golden rule days.
Readin' and 'ritin' and 'rithmetic
Taught to the tune of the hickory stick

No more hickory stick ? No more Readin' and 'ritin' and 'rithmetic ?

Then there is this;

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Indoctrinating children

This is a big one and a touchy subject.  Schools should only be teaching kids how to think, not what to think.  Why can’t the government just let the kids learn? Instead of shoving their agendas down their throats. Most boys like G.I. Joes and most girls like Barbie’s.  There is nothing wrong with that!  Let them be.

Did you know that the state of Oregon allows 15-year-olds to get a sex change without parental consent? 94% of children grow out of transgenderism by adulthood so most of these teens end up regretting it!  Since when have teenagers been known to make good decisions?

When a child’s confused about their sexuality they don’t need people pressuring them to get a sex change, but to help them work through it. If they grow up and still want to get a sex change then so be it. 

There are so many so-called “social justice” issues being thrown at little children that are doing more harm than good
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https://jessicaautumn.com/public-schools-are-failing/


It seems too many schools are more about politics.....giving teachers money to support democrats who then support teachers unions.

I would guess Chicago school system is like many other large cities, monstrosities of institutions in which bureaucrats run amok.
  

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Re: Chicago teachers strike
Reply #33 - 10/18/19 at 22:45:31
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This is the fault of the city it should be in their damn contract they cannot strike
they are greedy nasty union members who care less about kids
just check the scores
ours here in Nebraska at our public schools were disgusting and they keep getting more money and grades have not improved nor the reading kills are awful.............they fail over and over
get rid of the unions and maybe you might see some improvement
  
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Reply #34 - 10/18/19 at 22:54:03
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Currently, in almost every state, the funding is set up so that schools receive monies based upon how many children are in any particular school. That's called " the child follows the money ". The system should be structured just the opposite of that " the money follows the child ". This way you get competition in education. But, of course, this rationale is very unpopular with the Unions and teachers because the better schools, including private schools, will end up getting most of the money. The worst schools get next to nothing.
  
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Re: Chicago teachers strike
Reply #35 - 10/19/19 at 00:17:41
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Money will not solve the problem ...

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lesso...

The PDF file that’s within the article is worth a read; although, it looks like was typed on a typewriter ... (yes, one of those antiquated machines) ... with sticky keys.   
  
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Reply #36 - 10/19/19 at 00:42:31
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This article is spot on ... how to think versus what to think.   I swear, the Liberals want everyone to think alike, believe alike, talk alike, write alike, act alike ... be clones of each other ... and unless kids learn how to think, it will happen. 

https://jessicaautumn.com/public-schools-are-failing/

  
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Re: Chicago teachers strike
Reply #37 - 10/19/19 at 00:53:00
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As a teacher and coach for almost three decades in high school and college, I can tell you that I can pretty much agree and disagree with quite a lot that has been said in this thread.

Public high schools have become a babysitting service that coddles criminals. I speak as a witness.  Imagine going to work every day with 30+ people who sleep on the job, don't bring their tools to work, and can disrespect your authority with little or no consequence.

And I was one of the teachers who got along with all the kids -- ALL -- even the criminals.  In fact, counselors put the bad seeds in my classes because they knew I would be able to prepare them to pass the Graduation Exit Examinations.  I didn't cheat.  I tried to reach them any way that I could.

I witnessed teachers assaulted, locked out of their classrooms, students robbed in restrooms, raped in the restrooms, one murder in the school cafeteria with a knife brought from home, parents coming on campus and fighting with kids before school, et al.

And where was this?  A rural high school of about 1,800 enrollment halfway between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

I earned every damn dime.

Are there bad teachers who take advantage of the system?  Sure.  Just like there are in every other profession.

I finally joined the teachers union after about 5 years of witnessing lying kids railroading teachers.  I had two situations during my tenure there. 

The first was a situation in the restroom.  Walked in. Guy was smoking.  Rather than go through all the paperwork involved and all the BS that goes with it, I just him, "Be smart. Put it out and go back to lunch." Instead, he walked up and blew smoke in my face and kept smoking.  The other guys in the restroom even told him to be cool and take the break I was giving him.  He was unrelenting.  When I finished my business at the urinal, I told him, "Come on. Let's go," and I grabbed him loosely at the back of his tricep to walk him to the office.  Got halfway there, and he broke and ran in the crowd.  I pursued him hiding behind bodies, caught him. He turned around and punched me three times in the face.  I didn't retaliate.  I could have crushed him.  I finished walking him to the office.  He claimed I beat him up in the restroom and that he was defending himself in the hall.  I had that hang over my head for about 6 months.  Luckily, the union rep was able to run down the witnesses in the restroom and the teachers who were by their classroom doors when he struck me.

The other event wasn't as brutal, but the lies were similar.  Went into the faculty restroom during classes.  Halls empty.  When I walked in, a student was coming out.  I stopped him.  Only placed the palm of my hand on his chest to keep him from getting past me in the narrow exit area.  He didn't resist.  We talked awhile, and he gave me some sing-song story about why he was in there; but I took him to the office and went back to my classroom.  He claimed I used unreasonable force to detain him and physically hurt him.  Three months later there's a hearing.  Both the union rep and I both stated that if I had no authority to detain a student in an unauthorized area with reasonable non-threatening and non-lethal force, there was no reason for any teacher to enforce any rule on campus.  It was only after that and the fact that he couldn't show any evidence of physical harm that I was exonerated.

And I was a lucky teacher/coach.  I got along with 99.9% of the kids in that school.  They all knew me to be fair, honest and to act in their best interest.  I rarely wrote up any kid in my classes because there was mutual respect.  Only after numerous chances was I forced to involve administrators, and they were thankful.  They knew it was bad if I had to write up someone on a discipline referral.
  

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Re: Chicago teachers strike
Reply #38 - 10/19/19 at 00:54:37
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So all of that said, I can understand why there is a teacher strike in Chicago -- or anywhere.  I also know that there are damn bad teachers who don't teach and corrupt kids. 

But I'm not going to judge a teacher strike based on the bad ones.  There are more good ones than bad ones.
  

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