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Re: UFO's are they real?
Reply #40 - 10/21/19 at 14:16:15
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WAlt wrote on 10/21/19 at 11:43:41:
IMO, all of those once skeptic examples pale (no way analogous) to a human body being able to accelerate, sustain, and decelerate anywhere near the speed of light -- which would have to be possible for living matter (be it human, animal, or alien) to have any meaningful (vast distance) space travel.

Of course, I'm totally open to be proven wrong. The laws of physics as we know it would have to be altered or act differently beyond the earth.


I AGREE with you statement 100% and I doubt anyone here will take argument with it.

That said, YOU said that the human body cannot do that, well DUH I did not say that was the criteria.  We don't know what the future will bring and that was the point of my post!
  

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Re: UFO's are they real?
Reply #41 - 10/21/19 at 14:31:57
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WAlt wrote on 10/21/19 at 12:20:39:
That's it. The laws of physics would have to be altered or broken as we now know them. I'm not saying that one day that won't happen.

I'm just a skeptic with regard to the earth being visited (in the past or now) by aliens from outside our earth. Until I see some factual evidence of it I will remain a skeptic.

As far as UFOs, I do believe that, that there's many visual and radar sightings we can't explain -- but that doesn't necessarily translate into being visited and observed by space aliens.

I actually want to believe there is complex life outside of the earth.

But as far as man (here on earth) being able to travel to anywhere other than in our solar system with any degree of speed, I don't foresee that happening any time soon.

I remember when man first set foot on the moon the press was touting we would be setting foot on Mars next (implying that would be soon). Now, 50 years later, that hasn't happened.

I gave you an account of what saw on a clear day, late morning, less than 75 feet from me and I gave you a set of coord's that show the space where it sat and it has yet to be grown over in over 50 years.

If it happened today I would grab my iphone and take pics but back in the 60's I did not have.

There have been more than just a few visual sightings that are bonafide by credible people...what do you think I saw...a weather balloon?

There is a LOT of advanced technology in many societies around the world dating back 5-10 thousand years ago, that cannot be explained.

Exactly how did they cut 1000 ton blocks of rock from the ground with laser precision and then move them around like coupons in the Sunday paper.

????
  

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Re: UFO's are they real?
Reply #42 - 10/21/19 at 14:35:48
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countzero wrote on 10/21/19 at 13:35:11:
What we do know is......

Proof of alien life - zero
Proof of ufos - zero
Unnatural sounds in the universe - zero
Proof of loch ness monster - zero
Proof of bigfoot - zero

What ifs mean nothing. I hear people say there are so many stars and so many planets that the odds are there has to be alien life out there. Wishful thinking. No proof to support it. All of this is a fun distraction, that's all.


So I will guess that many on here are ATHEISTS...proof of GOD - zero, just Wishful thinking and a fun distraction.
  

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Reply #43 - 10/21/19 at 14:52:31
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I saw and object flying through the sky just the other day that I couldn't identify...
  
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Reply #44 - 10/21/19 at 16:23:09
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17Oaks wrote on 10/21/19 at 14:31:57:
I gave you an account of what saw on a clear day, late morning, less than 75 feet from me and I gave you a set of coord's that show the space where it sat and it has yet to be grown over in over 50 years.

If it happened today I would grab my iphone and take pics but back in the 60's I did not have.

There have been more than just a few visual sightings that are bonafide by credible people...what do you think I saw...a weather balloon?

There is a LOT of advanced technology in many societies around the world dating back 5-10 thousand years ago, that cannot be explained.

Exactly how did they cut 1000 ton blocks of rock from the ground with laser precision and then move them around like coupons in the Sunday paper.

????


I made no opinion or judgement about your account. I don't doubt you saw something. Perhaps it was some top secret military experimental device/operation.

I made no opinions or judgments about 100s of other accounts  by folks claiming to see strange phenomena.

All I did was opine (not critically directed at anyone that claimed they physically observed something they couldn't explain) that unless I see some tangible physical evidence, I'm not going to believe the earth has been visited by space aliens.

For decades I wanted to believe there was intelligent life beyond the earth, but with each passing year my doubts become stronger that such life either doesn't exist, but moreover, if such life does exist it could never travel to earth from areas of the galaxy outside the sun's solar system (based on the monumental physics that would have to be overcome).

Hell, for years after his death I wanted to believe Elvis was still alive. I recall TV shows where people came on and made all kinds of claims Elvis was in hiding and taking a break from the public, that his death was faked, that he was operating incognito and in disguises, etc. Some of these folks seemed very credible to me. But over time I finally accepted Elvis had indeed died.

I'm not using Elvis as an analogy, only that it was something I wanted to believe (that he hadn't died), similar to my wanting to believe in extraterrestrial beings.

I still want to believe in extraterrestrial life, but at this point in my life I demand proof.

With all the eyes in the sky, all the cell phone cameras, nighttime game cameras, home, business, and public surveillance cameras, etc., if there's something alien prowling around out there, something more conclusive should be made apparent (I would presume) with time.
  
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Reply #46 - 10/21/19 at 17:13:15
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WAlt wrote on 10/21/19 at 16:23:09:
For decades I wanted to believe there was intelligent life beyond the earth, but with each passing year my doubts become stronger that such life either doesn't exist, but moreover, if such life does exist it could never travel to earth from areas of the galaxy outside the sun's solar system (based on the monumental physics that would have to be overcome).


With all the eyes in the sky, all the cell phone cameras, nighttime game cameras, home, business, and public surveillance cameras, etc., if there's something alien prowling around out there, something more conclusive should be made apparent (I would presume) with time.


You need to see in a positive light, we have proof.  OK, now maybe we did not talk to them, but when NASA and our military sees stuff, records it and we have it on film, I think we have to accept the fact there is something out there being  flown by intelligent beings in something far more advanced than anything on this planet.

I will open a can of beans here, but I won't spill it!

1970's. I am a Lt in the US Army, I am sent off to a school at another long-time Army post.  I am there to learn about weapons employment.

After some time in the course, we move to the Field Ranges to observe and learn to manage weapons firing.  We spend the better part of a week in the daytime hrs and the following week we move to night exercises.  As the night stuff is slower and more intense we are broken down into 2 groups each about 25 Officers.  I am in group 2 so I will go out on the second night.

I drive onto post on day 2 go to the classroom.  I take note of a lot of black Suburbans driving around the post as I come and several in front of our classroom.  Unlike most days the classroom is silent with everyone setting in their desks and I am met and told to take my seat.

At the front of the class are several in suits and several high ranking officers that I don't know.

Class is brought to attention and Suits and high rankers begin to talk.  Last nite, group 1 had to call a cease fire around 10 pm due a UFO landing on the range:

The UFO was approx 1500 meters out and they were conducting exercises lighting the battlefield.  These are rounds that are fired and air burst into a bright light that lasts up to a min, the round has a parachute and a timer to it goes off at different altitudes.  We can make the battlefield look like daytime!!! 

Officers are equipped with Night vision devices, BC Scopes (a powerful bino, extremely powerful, we see out with clarity at round 5000 m.

All total there are 25 Officer-Students each with binos, night vision etc, and another 10 Officer instructors.

Since I was not there why do I know this, because we all talk to each other and in fact I got call last night from my good friend telling me what he saw.  But we are there now to swear and sign that we will NEVER discuss this with anyone to include wives and family members and I signed paperwork to that effect.

After class, I drove up to Range Road and it was blocked by black Suburbans, in fact, the road taking us to the on-post grocery and dept store (PX) was close and we had to drive off the post to get there.  This lasted the rest of the week.  ALL range and field training was canceled!!  Trust me that is BIG F'n DEAL!

This is all I will say, I am a retired Regular Army Officer and subject to UCMJ all of my life.  I can be Court martialed till the day I die.
  

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Re: UFO's are they real?
Reply #47 - 10/21/19 at 18:48:32
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When Top Gun Pilots Tangled with a Baffling Tic-Tac-Shaped UFO

Fighter pilots and radar operators from the USS Nimitz describe their terrifying—and still inexplicable—2004 encounter.

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According to a Navy spokesman: "There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated airspace in recent years.” The Navy, it was announced, was “investigating each and every report.”

https://www.history.com/news/uss-nimitz-2004-tic-tac-ufo-encounter

I watched the documentary;  "Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation".

There are actual interviews with crewman from the USS Nimitz.

Supposedly some "officials" landed on the ship after the incident and confiscated the data recorders.

Also, some of the people interviewed in the documentary were harassed (after the documentary aired) to the point they will no longer talk abut the incident.

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BTW: There is an interesting Science Fiction movie using the USS Nimitz called, "The Final Countdown", where the Nimitz goes through a "worm hole" to before Pearl Harbor.
  

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Reply #48 - 10/22/19 at 00:04:12
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What people need to remember is that eye witness accounts are known to be very unreliable.
  

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Reply #49 - 10/22/19 at 00:06:28
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17Oaks wrote on 10/21/19 at 14:35:48:
So I will guess that many on here are ATHEISTS...proof of GOD - zero, just Wishful thinking and a fun distraction.

I would say just the opposite. With all the known facts that there is no life outside this planet you would have to surmise that this could be no accident.
  

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